I'm sorry if my concept based thought process is confusing. I'll try to be more linear in the future.
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Outdoors is different.
You're overlooking that we're talking about a snowplough here, the first and most basic ski technique and the absolute minimum requirement for someone to be able to move around a modest slope. The indoor slopes require a minimum standard of skiing, it's not like a real mountain where there's some space, indoors there's just a single slope and all abilities have to use it. Having a couple of people doing follow me snow ploughs is so very, very obviously dangerous for everyone concerned.
Excellent point. So you'll be able to name a microwave manufacturer that carries this warning will you? Just one will do )
It's an urban myth, in fact a very, very old urban myth going back to at least the 1920's with old ladies drying their pets in ovens. It's completely and utterly untrue and I agree with you totally, it's an extremely good example of this sort of thing.
just to remind you of this original post ise i did not at any point say it was a follow me lesson we were mearly comparing technique and generally disgussing form. I also at no point said neither one of us,as you have said a few times could not do the most basic of ski manouvers the snow plough i just said she was not the most confident of skiers this is not to say she cant ski it just means she is more cautious than the average person on the slope.This incident occured after we had already come down from the top of the slope (as indicated in my original post) thus proving we both must be at least half as competent as the next guy on the slope as we hit no one on the way down linked turns successfully and stopped safely at the bottom.
this was you wasn't it ?
You just quoted it again in fact. What are you saying now? You were discussing technique, a staff member overheard you and remonstrated with you?
You said you demonstrated a snow plough and she copied you, I *thought* you were genuinely asking if that looked like a lesson and being a ski instructor I can tell you it does.
That's a bizarre question, I've never set foot in a snow dome in my life for a start and I've not suggested there's anything wrong with giving a few pointers as far I can see, in fact what I said was :
does that answer your question?
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Started by Jaycraig in Ski Technique 20-Sep-2008 - 47 Replies
Trencher
reply to 'helping family' posted Sep-2008
because I'm so inclined .....
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Ise
reply to 'helping family' posted Sep-2008
davidmpires wrote:Last Thursday I went to the gym with a friend that's studying to become a personal trainer, he was explaining me all the excercises and demostrating before i tried them myself, of the personal trainers came over saw us, and chat to us for a bit, then my friend asked him if he was teaching the exercises correctly, and if they would be suitable for me, The instructor answer all questions and then left.
We are talking about one of the most expensive gyms in London where they charge £500 for you to have a personal trainer for 3 months on top of a £140 monthly memebership.
On sunday me and my other half went to my local gym and after our induction we were doing some exercises and I was ghelping and explaining what i'd learn last thursday with my friend.
In neither of the situations i was aproached by any member of staff telling me that i'm not allowed to teach. That guy was just being an idiot.
Say for instance that i'm a great friend of pavelski and he tells me that if I travel to US we will drive to the mountains and he will teach me free of charge. Is this a crime? Is it a crime to know an instructor and get help from him, because you feel more confident with a familiar face?
Outdoors is different.
You're overlooking that we're talking about a snowplough here, the first and most basic ski technique and the absolute minimum requirement for someone to be able to move around a modest slope. The indoor slopes require a minimum standard of skiing, it's not like a real mountain where there's some space, indoors there's just a single slope and all abilities have to use it. Having a couple of people doing follow me snow ploughs is so very, very obviously dangerous for everyone concerned.
Ise
reply to 'helping family' posted Sep-2008
Wanderer wrote:
A favourite example of this, is the warning including with microwaves telling you that they are not suitable for drying pets :lol: :lol: :lol:, included because one idiot in the world thought that this was a good idea. Another example, was a school in the UK which was in the papers because it banned conker contests because of the risk of unjury to the pupils :shock: I am sure we can all come up with other examples of such nonsense.
Excellent point. So you'll be able to name a microwave manufacturer that carries this warning will you? Just one will do )
It's an urban myth, in fact a very, very old urban myth going back to at least the 1920's with old ladies drying their pets in ovens. It's completely and utterly untrue and I agree with you totally, it's an extremely good example of this sort of thing.
Jaycraig
reply to 'helping family' posted Sep-2008
jaycraig wrote:I am hopeing someone can resolve an issue i had today.I went to the chill factore today to get a little practice in for my canada ski holiday in december. When we got there and booked ourselves in for 3 hours of skiing but as my wife not the most confident of skiers we decided to have a quick practice linking turns and stopping etc before going on the drag lift to top of the hill in the interest of safety. We were then informed that only people in ski school were allowed to use the nursery slope so she had to practice this at the bottom of the main slope which was no problem. As things went well and she felt confident about her technique we went to the top of the hill and skied down with no problems but at the bottom we got talking about technique and i started to demonstrate the way i do a snowplough and she copied,then next thing we knew a member of staff was rushing over to us shouting STOP STOP!. She said i was not allowed to teach as i am not a qualified instructor which is fair enough however when you are trying to make someones life slightly easier by showing them a more effective way of doing something i dont strictly speaking think this qualifies as teaching as she has skied before and was just brushing up a little. After i tried to put this point across although she never actually said so she seemed to be implying i was breaking the law by 'teaching'. I was wondering whether this is the case or have i miss understood and just been caught out by some manic member of staff determined to uphold the company rules of the chill factore?
just to remind you of this original post ise i did not at any point say it was a follow me lesson we were mearly comparing technique and generally disgussing form. I also at no point said neither one of us,as you have said a few times could not do the most basic of ski manouvers the snow plough i just said she was not the most confident of skiers this is not to say she cant ski it just means she is more cautious than the average person on the slope.This incident occured after we had already come down from the top of the slope (as indicated in my original post) thus proving we both must be at least half as competent as the next guy on the slope as we hit no one on the way down linked turns successfully and stopped safely at the bottom.
there's no waiting for friends on a powder day
Ise
reply to 'helping family' posted Sep-2008
jaycraig wrote:jaycraig wrote:I am hopeing someone can resolve an issue i had today.I went to the chill factore today to get a little practice in for my canada ski holiday in december. When we got there and booked ourselves in for 3 hours of skiing but as my wife not the most confident of skiers we decided to have a quick practice linking turns and stopping etc before going on the drag lift to top of the hill in the interest of safety. We were then informed that only people in ski school were allowed to use the nursery slope so she had to practice this at the bottom of the main slope which was no problem. As things went well and she felt confident about her technique we went to the top of the hill and skied down with no problems but at the bottom we got talking about technique and i started to demonstrate the way i do a snowplough and she copied,then next thing we knew a member of staff was rushing over to us shouting STOP STOP!. She said i was not allowed to teach as i am not a qualified instructor which is fair enough however when you are trying to make someones life slightly easier by showing them a more effective way of doing something i dont strictly speaking think this qualifies as teaching as she has skied before and was just brushing up a little. After i tried to put this point across although she never actually said so she seemed to be implying i was breaking the law by 'teaching'. I was wondering whether this is the case or have i miss understood and just been caught out by some manic member of staff determined to uphold the company rules of the chill factore?
just to remind you of this original post ise i did not at any point say it was a follow me lesson we were mearly comparing technique and generally disgussing form. I also at no point said neither one of us,as you have said a few times could not do the most basic of ski manouvers the snow plough i just said she was not the most confident of skiers this is not to say she cant ski it just means she is more cautious than the average person on the slope.This incident occured after we had already come down from the top of the slope (as indicated in my original post) thus proving we both must be at least half as competent as the next guy on the slope as we hit no one on the way down linked turns successfully and stopped safely at the bottom.
this was you wasn't it ?
but at the bottom we got talking about technique and i started to demonstrate the way i do a snowplough and she copied
You just quoted it again in fact. What are you saying now? You were discussing technique, a staff member overheard you and remonstrated with you?
You said you demonstrated a snow plough and she copied you, I *thought* you were genuinely asking if that looked like a lesson and being a ski instructor I can tell you it does.
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Davidmpires
reply to 'helping family' posted Sep-2008
Ise so if you are working and you over hear anyone explaining any thechnique to other you will speak to them and tell they are not allowed to teach in there?
Ise
reply to 'helping family' posted Sep-2008
davidmpires wrote:Ise so if you are working and you over hear anyone explaining any thechnique to other you will speak to them and tell they are not allowed to teach in there?
That's a bizarre question, I've never set foot in a snow dome in my life for a start and I've not suggested there's anything wrong with giving a few pointers as far I can see, in fact what I said was :
You're quite right that it's reasonable for people to give each feedback on their skiing, more than that, it's normal, expected and fun, it would be a miserable day on these indoor slopes if you didn't, but the OP made it quite clear he was doing follow me snow plough coaching and also gave us to understand he wasn't able to stop properly. That's obviously not on.
does that answer your question?
Jaycraig
reply to 'helping family' posted Sep-2008
I think this is a case of having to be there to have seen it for yourself,but i do take your point regarding how it may have looked to this member of staff.
there's no waiting for friends on a powder day
Topic last updated on 20-October-2008 at 15:40