How about this one for an accident

gdbn wrote:Ally,

What is learning slalom or having slalom lessons?

Is it a fancy name for turning ??

G

No, as far as I know they are proper slalom lessons, given by esf Courchevel 1550, as an option in their 'performance' lessons. There is a whole 'stade de slalom' in Courchevel, so maybe they do it there, I don't know. I am hoping that they won't be too difficult, since they only specify 4 weeks ski-ing experience, although I have a nasty feeling that they're supposed to come after you've completed all the previous levels - i.e. you have to be comfortable on all the slopes doing parallel turns before you start the course. And I imagine there's a fair bit of carving coaching to start with.

If it is too difficult for me I will do a different lesson. They also do off piste lessons, which my daughter is doing, and 'ski pleasure' which I think means touring around the resort which I shall be doing in the afternoon (unless I get chucked out of this one as well!).

And, back to the subject of the thread, maybe the slalom course wasn't very well positioned on the piste, so that other skiers/boarders couldn't see it. When we were at Tignes in October a learner boarder went right through the international teams' slalom training course because he didn't realise it was there! Luckily no-one got hurt though. And later on, the French national team were doing their slalom at the side of the piste we were on (they moved off the official one because it was too icy) and it wasn't fenced off or anything, so there could have been a collision.

Ally

I don't know about Europe, but here it is quite usual for slalom and gs practice courses to be set on open runs. These are nearly always on the side of a run. Signs are often posted, But most of the time, it would be hard to miss seeing the gates. Those little short poles are often used for small kids, and for drill practices that don't need real gates. I got the impression the the course in the video was at the edge of a run, but who knows. The light was good, and the ruts from the course should have been visible, as well as the short poles. Even if the guy didn't realise it was a race practice, A bunch of short poles should have alerted him that something was there, and to be careful.

Trencher

The guy in Red did not appear to be in control. Also, he took out the victim from above. If this had happened in Colorado, (I don't know about the rest of the USA, Trencher?), then almost certainly, he would have his lift pass taken away.

If I had been there, I would have picked his skis up, and skied down the mountain. I have done this before, leaving the skis at the lift station, with an explanation to the liftman.

Dave Mac wrote:The guy in Red did not appear to be in control. Also, he took out the victim from above. If this had happened in Colorado, (I don't know about the rest of the USA, Trencher?), then almost certainly, he would have his lift pass taken away.

If I had been there, I would have picked his skis up, and skied down the mountain. I have done this before, leaving the skis at the lift station, with an explanation to the liftman.

Rubbish!

The guy was learning the other guy in green was not looking.

If you run off with peoples skis you'll end up getting thumped one day or in a police station explaining why your stole someone skis

It is possible that people on J2ski will have a difference of opinion. However, you can be certain that I will never call any of your observations "Rubbish", Mark.

Perhaps, I should have added that in the incident with which I was involved, I told the guy what I was going to do, and the reasons. I made sure that he was capable of walking down and that he had had ski-poles. In his condition, he was a danger to others, and to himself.

Late afternoon, I phoned the Burgermeister, and he phoned the police. There was no outcome.

Oh, and one guy did get violent towards me once, in Italy. I believe that he did regret it. I am a mild mannered person, but sometimes.......

I am sorry, but don't take offence it wasn't meant like that.

And if you keep walking off with peoples stuff you will one day find trouble

Dave Mac wrote:The guy in Red did not appear to be in control. Also, he took out the victim from above. If this had happened in Colorado, (I don't know about the rest of the USA, Trencher?), then almost certainly, he would have his lift pass taken away.

The Ski Patrol (and safety patrol at areas that have them) will clip (first warning), or take away the lift ticket of dangerous skiers just about anywhere in the US. Colorado is unique in that, in the event of a collision, the ski patrol must be called. The patrollers take the details of the people involved, in case there is a prosecution, or civil case. Failure to call the patrol is a criminal offense, even if you leave contact info with the other party.

Going back to the original video, what I see is, the guy in green is skiing the course (he is not a beginning skier). The guy in red crosses the course, hitting the guy in green. It is not possible to tell the experience level of the guy in red, because we only see him momentarily before the crash. If you are skiing a race course, practice or not, you do not expect to have to look for people skiing through. That's why, if you see anything resembling a race course, you will take your life in your hands crossing it, unless you are sure it's safe.

At the end of the day, it's like a spot the ball competition. The ball is where the judges put it, not where it actually was :wink:

Trencher

AllyG wrote:Ian,
Now, now, this isn't meant to be another helmet debate. We don't want to get this thread locked as well as that other one :roll:

I'm just very glad I wasn't either of those poor people who collided, and I hope they weren't seriously hurt.

Ally

It is not a helmet debate I just think people put a helmet on and think they are safe :wink: