The appeal has been delayed at the request of both ESF and Le Ski. It won't now take place until the spring, so no resolution to this mess for a year or two.
The appeal was expected to go ESF's way and that the case would then be taken to the European court.
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2hrs on a sunday afternoon doesn't cut it really does it?
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Started by AllyG in France 19-Feb-2013 - 299 Replies
Andyhull
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France' posted Nov-2013
Billip1
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France' posted Nov-2013
Quelle surprise.
Ian Wickham
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France' posted Nov-2013
More money for the legal eagle's …….. It would be quicker just to ban hosting, then all the TO's should then use the English ski schools. :twisted:
Andyhull
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France' posted Nov-2013
Just seen this:
Skiworld are delighted to be able to offer the very popular social skiing service once again to guests staying in selected resorts in France. Skiworld have teamed up with a number of ski schools in resorts across the Tarentaise region including Val d'Isere, Tignes, Les Arcs and Val Thorens.
The service is completely free of charge and on a first-come-first-served basis for up to 12 guests of red-run standard and above. Each group will be accompanied by a qualified instructor from a local ski school and a Skiworld Rep. No ski instruction will be given, it is simply a fun and sociable way to become familiar with the local ski area and meet other Skiworld guests.
Sessions will run on a Sunday afternoon for 2 hours. Once the group is full, Skiworld may be able to arrange a local guide (subject to availability) which is payable locally.
Skiworld continue to run their social skiing service in other resorts in Austria, Switzerland and USA, subject to local regulations and weather conditions.
Skiworld are delighted to be able to offer the very popular social skiing service once again to guests staying in selected resorts in France. Skiworld have teamed up with a number of ski schools in resorts across the Tarentaise region including Val d'Isere, Tignes, Les Arcs and Val Thorens.
The service is completely free of charge and on a first-come-first-served basis for up to 12 guests of red-run standard and above. Each group will be accompanied by a qualified instructor from a local ski school and a Skiworld Rep. No ski instruction will be given, it is simply a fun and sociable way to become familiar with the local ski area and meet other Skiworld guests.
Sessions will run on a Sunday afternoon for 2 hours. Once the group is full, Skiworld may be able to arrange a local guide (subject to availability) which is payable locally.
Skiworld continue to run their social skiing service in other resorts in Austria, Switzerland and USA, subject to local regulations and weather conditions.
LOTA
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France' posted Nov-2013
I believe Crystal holidays are doing something similar to what Mr Hull describes in their French resorts.
Snapzzz
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France' posted Nov-2013
andyhull wrote:Just seen this:
Skiworld are delighted to be able to offer the very popular social skiing service once again to guests staying in selected resorts in France. Skiworld have teamed up with a number of ski schools in resorts across the Tarentaise region including Val d'Isere, Tignes, Les Arcs and Val Thorens.
The service is completely free of charge and on a first-come-first-served basis for up to 12 guests of red-run standard and above. Each group will be accompanied by a qualified instructor from a local ski school and a Skiworld Rep. No ski instruction will be given, it is simply a fun and sociable way to become familiar with the local ski area and meet other Skiworld guests.
Sessions will run on a Sunday afternoon for 2 hours. Once the group is full, Skiworld may be able to arrange a local guide (subject to availability) which is payable locally.
Skiworld continue to run their social skiing service in other resorts in Austria, Switzerland and USA, subject to local regulations and weather conditions.
2hrs on a sunday afternoon doesn't cut it really does it?
Skied: Arinsal, La Plagne, Alpe D'huez, Flaine, Les Arcs, Morzine, Les Gets, Avoriaz, Sauze, Courchevel, Val Thorens
DeliciousMountain
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France' posted Nov-2013
It's easy to see both sides of this argument. It's a lot of responsibility on a ski host to take guests off around the resort possibly with quite disparate skiing ability. If the weather closes in and somebody starts to panic etc, etc and a possible litigation nightmare if the host takes someone on a slope that's a little too much for them, they fall over and break a leg - or worse.
On the other hand a nice social ski with your guests is often an absolute pleasure showing them around. An argument that I've heard, is that the ESF are just complaining because on a big group lesson all they can really do is host people around the mountain and are losing out on business because holiday companies are doing it for free.
For me the end point of this argument is the litigation, surly the host is taking responsibility for those guests and if they are not qualified they are not insured? And as they are making the decisions they are liable??
On the other hand a nice social ski with your guests is often an absolute pleasure showing them around. An argument that I've heard, is that the ESF are just complaining because on a big group lesson all they can really do is host people around the mountain and are losing out on business because holiday companies are doing it for free.
For me the end point of this argument is the litigation, surly the host is taking responsibility for those guests and if they are not qualified they are not insured? And as they are making the decisions they are liable??
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AllyG
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France' posted Nov-2013
As I have already said, what particularly annoys me about this is that the French seem to be wanting a ski instructor fully qualified to teach in France to act as a ski host.
I am quite sure 5 years or so of instructor training is not required to show guests their way around the mountain and help them to find the best restaurants etc.
I think ski hosts should be licensed and regulated, but I'm sure a new qualification could be sorted which would cover the requirements for the job, and which wouldn't take 5 years of training to achieve!
A couple of days ago I was talking to a British ski instructor who teaches in France, and is therefore very highly qualified, and he said he has been asked to carry out ski hosting for a British tour operator.
I am quite sure 5 years or so of instructor training is not required to show guests their way around the mountain and help them to find the best restaurants etc.
I think ski hosts should be licensed and regulated, but I'm sure a new qualification could be sorted which would cover the requirements for the job, and which wouldn't take 5 years of training to achieve!
A couple of days ago I was talking to a British ski instructor who teaches in France, and is therefore very highly qualified, and he said he has been asked to carry out ski hosting for a British tour operator.
Topic last updated on 22-November-2013 at 00:18