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AllyG
reply to 'Recommendations for ski virgins'
posted Jul-2009

Hi Coop,
I'm glad you found my comments helpful.

Strangely enough, although I haven't been to many ski resorts, I have been to both Obergurgl and Kaprun.

I picked Obergurgl because we were going the first week in Jan, i.e. the first week back at school, which tends to be a very cheap week, and I wanted to make sure there would be plenty of snow, plus my eldest daughter wasn't very well and I wanted to be able to find a hotel next to the gondola where she could see the ski-ing out of the window in case she wasn't well enough to ski herself. There aren't many other Austrian resorts where you are practically guaranteed to be able to ski back to the hotel. We stayed at the hotel Crystal.

Like all resorts I suppose, Obergurgl has good and bad points. It seems to cater specially for the wealthy middle classes who like very comfortable hotels with good food, and a smallish resort where they can safely let their teenage kids ski around without worrying that they're going to stray into another valley and be unable to get back because the lifts shut, or become lost. So there seemed to be lots of families who go there year after year.

If you have unlimited money the best hotel is the one right in the centre of the village, by the ski school meeting point (I'm afraid I've forgotten what it's called). We met some people we vaguely knew who were staying there, and they were a hospital consultant's family.

The rest of the hotels are clustered around the road that goes through the village, and there is a free ski bus to take you to the lifts and the ski school meeting point. My younger daughter was 13 at the time, and had been on 2 ski holidays before, and she reckoned the ski school was marvellous. She had a young lady teacher who seemed to have been born on skis, and she took her little group of kids around like young ducklings down the blues, and by the end of the week they were very happily ski-ing down reds. The only thing she didn't like is that at lunch time they bring the kids back to the resort so they can have lunch with their parents.

It was my first high altitude resort, and I'm afraid it scared me a little. Nearly all the runs are above the tree level, and in fog or blizzard conditions it's very frightening because you don't know where you are. If you are in lessons it's O.K. because the teachers know where they are, and you all stay together, but I wasn't in lessons. The people sitting next to us at dinner skied into really thick fog one day, and couldn't see anything at all. I would have been completely terrified, but they managed to get back O.K.

You can also get a gondola over to Hochgurgl and either ski back, or ski down to Untergurgl and get the free shuttle back (we did that one day).

I would think that probably the week we went, at the beginning of Jan, is the best one to go to Obergurgl, because it's cheap and not crowded. They have a very good snow record.

I have also been to Zell am See, and had a day at Kaprun, which is the neighbouring resort, linked by ski pass and free shuttle buses. I much preferred Zell am See. It's much lower down, with plenty of trees, and a beautiful lake, and it's a large town so there are lots of shopping/town type activities to do. There were plenty of mountain restaurants with good food, and you could easily and safely ski all round the resort without worrying about getting lost. The kids ski school was really good, and they had lunch out on the slopes in the mountain restaurants.

The only slightly bad thing about it is that most of the hotels are in the town and you have to walk, or get the shuttle bus, to the gondola, to get up to the ski school meeting place, although I think if you're quick you can rent lockers at the gondola so you don't have to carry all your ski stuff. 6 year olds aren't generally very good at carrying their own skis and poles on and off buses. And there are a few hotels up on the slopes.

I admit I didn't go to the learners slopes at Kaprun, so I have no idea what they're like. We went up the gondola and on to the bowl-like glacier. Here it was all white and very disorientating and very high. All you could see, apart from other skiers, were the thin black lines of all the ski lifts, criss-crossing the white snow. And I couldn't stop laughing because I got mild altitude sickness. In the restaurant it seemed like everything was moving up and down, like when you get off a boat if you've been at sea for a long time. And apparently, if it's windy, they shut the gondola, so there's no ski-ing up on the glacier.

If it was me, I'd much rather go to Zell am See, and go a little later, e.g. in Feb (but not half term). If the snow is poor you could always go and ski at Kaprun, and I should think the beginners slopes would be O.K. at Zell because of the artificial snow. I suppose you could check the snow record. Going ski-ing is always a bit of a gamble, because you can't predict the weather, or the snow fall.

We stayed at the four star Heitzmann hotel in Zell, and we still talk about how good the food was. At the time, they did free child places, and Airtours did one child skis for free, so it wasn't an expensive holiday.

Next Feb half-term we are going to Courchevel ourselves, and staying in a cheap self-catering apartment close to the slopes and the gondola. I want to ski in trees again, because I'm sick of treeless high altitude resorts. I am hoping we get plenty of snow, but I'm fairly confident that their snow making capacity will mean we have something to ski on, even if it's not real snow.

Ally

Ian Wickham
reply to 'Recommendations for ski virgins'
posted Jul-2009

AllyG wrote:Hi Coop,
I'm glad you found my comments helpful.

Strangely enough, although I haven't been to many ski resorts, I have been to both Obergurgl and Kaprun.

I picked Obergurgl because we were going the first week in Jan, i.e. the first week back at school, which tends to be a very cheap week, and I wanted to make sure there would be plenty of snow, plus my eldest daughter wasn't very well and I wanted to be able to find a hotel next to the gondola where she could see the ski-ing out of the window in case she wasn't well enough to ski herself. There aren't many other Austrian resorts where you are practically guaranteed to be able to ski back to the hotel. We stayed at the hotel Crystal.

Like all resorts I suppose, Obergurgl has good and bad points. It seems to cater specially for the wealthy middle classes who like very comfortable hotels with good food, and a smallish resort where they can safely let their teenage kids ski around without worrying that they're going to stray into another valley and be unable to get back because the lifts shut, or become lost. So there seemed to be lots of families who go there year after year.

If you have unlimited money the best hotel is the one right in the centre of the village, by the ski school meeting point (I'm afraid I've forgotten what it's called). We met some people we vaguely knew who were staying there, and they were a hospital consultant's family.

The rest of the hotels are clustered around the road that goes through the village, and there is a free ski bus to take you to the lifts and the ski school meeting point. My younger daughter was 13 at the time, and had been on 2 ski holidays before, and she reckoned the ski school was marvellous. She had a young lady teacher who seemed to have been born on skis, and she took her little group of kids around like young ducklings down the blues, and by the end of the week they were very happily ski-ing down reds. The only thing she didn't like is that at lunch time they bring the kids back to the resort so they can have lunch with their parents.

It was my first high altitude resort, and I'm afraid it scared me a little. Nearly all the runs are above the tree level, and in fog or blizzard conditions it's very frightening because you don't know where you are. If you are in lessons it's O.K. because the teachers know where they are, and you all stay together, but I wasn't in lessons. The people sitting next to us at dinner skied into really thick fog one day, and couldn't see anything at all. I would have been completely terrified, but they managed to get back O.K.

You can also get a gondola over to Hochgurgl and either ski back, or ski down to Untergurgl and get the free shuttle back (we did that one day).

I would think that probably the week we went, at the beginning of Jan, is the best one to go to Obergurgl, because it's cheap and not crowded. They have a very good snow record.

I have also been to Zell am See, and had a day at Kaprun, which is the neighbouring resort, linked by ski pass and free shuttle buses. I much preferred Zell am See. It's much lower down, with plenty of trees, and a beautiful lake, and it's a large town so there are lots of shopping/town type activities to do. There were plenty of mountain restaurants with good food, and you could easily and safely ski all round the resort without worrying about getting lost. The kids ski school was really good, and they had lunch out on the slopes in the mountain restaurants.

The only slightly bad thing about it is that most of the hotels are in the town and you have to walk, or get the shuttle bus, to the gondola, to get up to the ski school meeting place, although I think if you're quick you can rent lockers at the gondola so you don't have to carry all your ski stuff. 6 year olds aren't generally very good at carrying their own skis and poles on and off buses. And there are a few hotels up on the slopes.

I admit I didn't go to the learners slopes at Kaprun, so I have no idea what they're like. We went up the gondola and on to the bowl-like glacier. Here it was all white and very disorientating and very high. All you could see, apart from other skiers, were the thin black lines of all the ski lifts, criss-crossing the white snow. And I couldn't stop laughing because I got mild altitude sickness. In the restaurant it seemed like everything was moving up and down, like when you get off a boat if you've been at sea for a long time. And apparently, if it's windy, they shut the gondola, so there's no ski-ing up on the glacier.

If it was me, I'd much rather go to Zell am See, and go a little later, e.g. in Feb (but not half term). If the snow is poor you could always go and ski at Kaprun, and I should think the beginners slopes would be O.K. at Zell because of the artificial snow. I suppose you could check the snow record. Going ski-ing is always a bit of a gamble, because you can't predict the weather, or the snow fall.

We stayed at the four star Heitzmann hotel in Zell, and we still talk about how good the food was. At the time, they did free child places, and Airtours did one child skis for free, so it wasn't an expensive holiday.

Next Feb half-term we are going to Courchevel ourselves, and staying in a cheap self-catering apartment close to the slopes and the gondola. I want to ski in trees again, because I'm sick of treeless high altitude resorts. I am hoping we get plenty of snow, but I'm fairly confident that their snow making capacity will mean we have something to ski on, even if it's not real snow.

Ally


Hi Ally, Bookings on the quiet side ?????

AllyG
reply to 'Recommendations for ski virgins'
posted Jul-2009

Ian,
What cheek! You mean my essay style has returned?

Actually, I'm very busy today, thank you. We are booked all the way through to September with both holiday cottages, I've just been in to town to get the ironing (I'm having it done professionally now, at 70 pence per duvet cover or whatever), we've got a T.B. test on the cattle in an hour, and I've got plenty of paperwork and cleaning to do in our own house, plus gardening when it stops raining.

Aren't you supposed to be packing? And looking for a cat?

Ally

Ian Wickham
reply to 'Recommendations for ski virgins'
posted Jul-2009

AllyG wrote:Ian,
What cheek! You mean my essay style has returned?

Actually, I'm very busy today, thank you. We are booked all the way through to September with both holiday cottages, I've just been in to town to get the ironing (I'm having it done professionally now, at 70 pence per duvet cover or whatever), we've got a T.B. test on the cattle in an hour, and I've got plenty of paperwork and cleaning to do in our own house, plus gardening when it stops raining.

Aren't you supposed to be packing? And looking for a cat?

Ally


Car and roof box now packed, The cat was found this morning asleep under a tree in the garden so has now been deposited into a local cat hotel, I'm now about to depart for the school run
hopefully get some ZZZzzz's and depart Norwich for Dover at approx 01.30 hours.
I have had the tractor serviced so there should be no problems ploughing through the French motorways :wink: :wink:

Ps Do you own ironing, just like what I do !!!!! :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

AllyG
reply to 'Recommendations for ski virgins'
posted Jul-2009

Coop,
I had a look on the igluski.com website for holidays to Obergurgl.

They have one going to Obergurgl on 2nd Jan from Gatwick to hotel Lohmann at £609 per person half board including flights, and 2 for 1 local lift pass offer. It's only if 4 people book together. The hotel is also a ski hire shop, and it's only 200m from the slopes, and it has sauna, steam room, whirlpool, and internet access.

The Obergurgl website says that ski passes for children 8 years old and younger are free. The adult rate is 218-50 euros for 6 days, and for children 9-16 it's 118 euros.

It is expensive, but not bad for Obergurgl. I think we paid £750 each for 3 of us at the same time of year about 4 years ago.

Having a hotel with the ski hire on the ground floor would be a very good idea when you have young children. Walking a long way back from a hire shop is awful when you're either wearing ski boots and carrying shoes, skis and poles, or wearing shoes and carrying ski boots, skis and poles. And it's even worse when you have kids.

I also had a quick look at Thomas Cook, and the cheapest one I could find there was £790- per person, for 2 adults and 2 kids, going on the same date.

Ally

Coop
reply to 'Recommendations for ski virgins'
posted Jul-2009

Hey Ally

I did look at Obergurgl and it did interest me.

The thing with me, as I mentioned earlier, is that the OH nor the kids have skiied before. Which means that, at best, they'll be tackling blues by the end of the week. Being their first ski hols, I don't want to go off skiing on my own them and would prefer to spend as much time with them as possible. This kinda rules out reasons for going to 'bigger, better' ski areas.

Secondly, I'm also quite keen on non-ski activities i.e. toboganning, sleigh rides etc.

The cost is not really a concern (I'm paid pretty well) but the quality of ski-school is very important.

I'm 90% convinced that Niederau is going to be my destination. Almost 100% that it'll be week commencing 6/2/2010 and probably staying at the Hotel Simmerwelt (through Neilsons). Does anyone here have any experience of this hotel? Also, is early Feb a good time to visit Niederau?

Thanks for everyones input....

Coop

PS - forgot to mention that January is a big no-no for me as it's impossible to get any time off....I'm a Tax Advisor and January is self-assessment deadline which means it's crazy manic for me...

Edited 1 time. Last update at 17-Jul-2009

AllyG
reply to 'Recommendations for ski virgins'
posted Jul-2009

Hi Coop,
Well, I'm glad you picked Niederau. That's what I said in the beginning. I was interested myself to see how much Obergurgl is now, because it's a while since we went.

Oh, I didn't know you were a tax advisor :shock:. I haven't done my tax for last year yet. Maybe I'd better stop playing about on here and go and do some more paperwork. I am self-employed and we have lots of small sources of income and it's very boring sorting out all the bits of paper and adding them up.

Ally

AllyG
reply to 'Recommendations for ski virgins'
posted Jul-2009

Coop,
I asked my friends, and they stay in the Alpenland, which is also right in front of the nursery slopes. It has a sun terrace. But I don't know that it is any better than the Simmerwelt. Trip advisor has mixed reviews for the Alpenland. Thomas Cook use the Alpenland, and igluski go to both of them. Total price is £1618 for 2 adults + 2 kids with Thomas Cook for the Alpenland 6th Feb, but they have a horribly early flight on Saturday morning.

And what I meant to say was that I haven't done the tax that was due last Jan, I've just paid the estimate plus the fine.

Ally

Topic last updated on 12-August-2009 at 22:05