helping family

Tony_H wrote:GPWM.
Maybe this person also doubles as a football referee.....?????

One of Mr Fergusons friends perhaps :lol:

ise wrote:
Outdoors is different.

how so? If I'm running the local ski school anywhere in europe and I see jaycraig giving his OH some pointers I'm not about to remonsrate with him just because I may be losing out on some tuition revenue.....? It is plainly obvious that the member of staff(jobsworth) was upholding a house rule restricting teaching to those suitably qualified and employed by the proprietor and that the reason for this house rule (amongst others) is to increase revenue.

The issue of snowplough turns and wether jaycraig's OH could or could not do snowploughs is mute as is pointed out in the T+C's
"If skiing or snowboarding on the main slope, you will be asked to sign a disclaimer form to state and confirm that you meet the minimum standards, which are; to control speed and direction; to perform linked turns; to stop and to use the button lift unassisted" and "In the absence of negligence or fraudulent misrepresentation, neither Chill Factore nor its employees or agents shall be responsible for the death, personal injury or illness of any guest whilst on Chill Factore premises"

So this should cover the operator in terms of any claims in respect of jaycraig or OH causing injury as it demonstrates they have taken reasonable action. At the end of the day had jaycraig had his OH follow him down the slope top to bottom in a snowplough doing turns I would agree that as they were on the main slope this would be classed as teaching, I recall that the demonstration occurred at the bottom of the slope? Therefore it would be safe to assume that this could be deemed 'coaching' rather than 'teaching'.

May the snow god visit you all this season many times :thumbup:

freezywater wrote:

ise wrote:
Outdoors is different.

how so? If I'm running the local ski school anywhere in europe and I see jaycraig giving his OH some pointers

A snow dome is a small place, a couple of hundred metres square and basically a single slope. It's dangerous if someone is moving either too quick or too slow. A real mountain is bigger, there's many slopes and everyone here being sensible, if they wanted to demo a snow plough would find themselves a quiet, slightly flatter area to do that.

freezywater wrote:
The issue of snowplough turns and wether jaycraig's OH could or could not do snowploughs is mute as is pointed out in the T+C's
"If skiing or snowboarding on the main slope, you will be asked to sign a disclaimer form to state and confirm that you meet the minimum standards, which are; to control speed and direction; to perform linked turns; to stop and to use the button lift unassisted

Quite, so someone who's having problems stopping using a snow plough isn't really in control of their speed or direction. In fact, someone using a snow plough to stop isn't in control of their speed really, it takes too long to stop in a snow plough to say it's controlled, it's just a transition skill before they learn to stop properly.

ise wrote: it takes too long to stop in a snow plough to say it's controlled, it's just a transition skill before they learn to stop properly.

I've always wondered about that, is it not more to do with learning to turn than stop anyway :?:

freezywater wrote:

ise wrote: it takes too long to stop in a snow plough to say it's controlled, it's just a transition skill before they learn to stop properly.

I've always wondered about that, is it not more to do with learning to turn than stop anyway :?:

mostly that's what people think and I'd agree, it's just there's only so much you can teach in a short time so a snow plough lets you tick the two most important boxes i.e. control of speed and direction, you can steer and stop with a snow plough so it's handy for a beginner. The alternative is teaching two different techniques and it's too much to take in. That said, if I understand their syllabus the PSIA method isn't to teach snow ploughs at all so it's a matter of some discussion.

Thats a much nicer picture of you, Ise.

Tony_H wrote:Thats a much nicer picture of you, Ise.

aaah, I can feel the love :oops:

I gathered from his original post that they were in the base area, and doing a stationary comparison. I didn't read anything about a follow me demo down the main slope.