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Started by AllyG in France - 299 Replies

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Verbier_ski_bum
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France'
posted Feb-2013

PrivateBryan wrote:Go Brooksy!
I don't happen to want ski hosting either, though I have used it in Austria and can see why people enjoy it.
But I am actually enjoying this debate and discussion and applaud Ally for voicing her opinions.
Nowt wrong with that.


This argument is going in circles and is basically not even an argument but a repeated on 26 pages complaint that sounds like "Why can't we do as we wish?" and then the same thing follows, for 26 pages now.

Brooksy
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France'
posted Feb-2013

verbier_ski_bum wrote:
PrivateBryan wrote:Go Brooksy!
I don't happen to want ski hosting either, though I have used it in Austria and can see why people enjoy it.
But I am actually enjoying this debate and discussion and applaud Ally for voicing her opinions.
Nowt wrong with that.


This argument is going in circles and is basically not even an argument but a repeated on 26 pages complaint that sounds like "Why can't we do as we wish?" and then the same thing follows, for 26 pages now.


Of which you have also been engaged -)

Tony_H
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France'
posted Feb-2013

Ally can stand up for herself Brooksy if she feels the need to. I'm just pointing out theres a lot of fuss being made on here about something no-one can do anything about. Like I've said a couple of times now, to which theres been a defeaning silence; will this stop anyone going to France?

I'm out of here. This is getting really pointless and dull now. Its done, deal with it.
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Brooksy
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France'
posted Feb-2013


Sorry this topic has upset you Tony, perhaps you should have pulled out earlier -) 26 pages long suggests some were very interested in the subject even if the conclusions are not to everyone's liking. :shock:

AllyG
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France'
posted Feb-2013

Thanks Brooksy and PrivateBryan :)

I have learnt a lot from what Verbier_Ski, SwingBeep and the others have said - thank you very much :)

But I still think there is a lot more to understand about this. I don't think the ESF or the French government really think ski hosting is dangerous, but clearly there are other problems connected with it, like the issue of ski hosts being paid below the minimum wage, which breaks the law.

I found this, on the ESF Facebook page, which is a French newspaper account of the case.



This is a description of the Smic (French minimum wage standard):

The Minimum Interprofessional Growth Salary (SMIC) sets the minimum hourly wage in France (metropolitan area, overseas departments and overseas collectivities of Saint-Barthélémy, Saint-Martin and Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon). An employer may not pay an employee less than this amount set by the Government and risk incurring penalties if they do so, and this regardless of the form in which wages are paid. Since 1 January 2011, the amount has been set at 9 Euros per hour gross, or 1 365Euros per month net, based on a working week of 35 hours. A reduced rate can be applied in certain cases, particularly for apprentices. The SMIC is automatically re-evaluated on 1 January every year. It can also be re-evaluated in the case of an increase in the consumer price index exceeding 2%.


http://www.france.fr/en/working/ins-and-outs-employment/professional-relations/all-about-smic

Tony_H
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France'
posted Feb-2013

26 pages suggests people are banging on about it too much when it doesnt actually matter.
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Tin pot
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France'
posted Feb-2013

Ranchero_1979 wrote:Because we are British, live on a small island and are worst Nation in Europe/probably world, for learning foreign languages.

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Some are, and its well known some French still hold it against us that the universal language is in fact English, not French, ...and not yet Cantonese.

I speak French and Portuguese, most French dont think I'm English - not because I'm fluent, but because I confuse French and Portuguese words. ;)

I like a lot about France and the French, but not the nationalism or the anti-English elements. I want to buy property there, as have my family wanted for some decades, but again the anti-foreign ownership stance of the government is a big put off. Ultimately there is very little different between the English and French, excepting a thousand years of enmity.

Tin pot
reply to 'End to ski hosting in France'
posted Feb-2013

AllyG wrote:Thanks Brooksy and PrivateBryan :)

I have learnt a lot from what Verbier_Ski, SwingBeep and the others have said - thank you very much :)

But I still think there is a lot more to understand about this. I don't think the ESF or the French government really think ski hosting is dangerous, but clearly there are other problems connected with it, like the issue of ski hosts being paid below the minimum wage, which breaks the law.

I found this, on the ESF Facebook page, which is a French newspaper account of the case.



This is a description of the Smic (French minimum wage standard):

The Minimum Interprofessional Growth Salary (SMIC) sets the minimum hourly wage in France (metropolitan area, overseas departments and overseas collectivities of Saint-Barthélémy, Saint-Martin and Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon). An employer may not pay an employee less than this amount set by the Government and risk incurring penalties if they do so, and this regardless of the form in which wages are paid. Since 1 January 2011, the amount has been set at 9 Euros per hour gross, or 1 365Euros per month net, based on a working week of 35 hours. A reduced rate can be applied in certain cases, particularly for apprentices. The SMIC is automatically re-evaluated on 1 January every year. It can also be re-evaluated in the case of an increase in the consumer price index exceeding 2%.


http://www.france.fr/en/working/ins-and-outs-employment/professional-relations/all-about-smic

Ah well, now that's different. Why didn't you say earlier?

For €9/hr I'm happy to pay the chalet guide myself!

:P

Topic last updated on 22-November-2013 at 00:18