End to ski hosting in France

So I'm going to guess the important bit is that they're paid.

I show my friends around a resort, that's fine. I stay in a chalet and one of the staff show me around the pistes, that's bad.

At no point will I pay ESF for that service, so good luck to 'em.

I predict many staff will soon have days off, and choose to spend that time showing new friends around the pistes.

SwingBeep wrote:

If you're not prepared to try anything new how are you going to progress?

SwingBeep - I like group lessons and learning new things :)

I have no idea how I broke my big toe in a mogul lesson :(

AllyG wrote:Tony - I think there is a much greater chance of injuring myself when I'm ski-ing in a lesson, because, as I said before, ski instructors tend to push you into trying new things.

When I'm ski-ing on my own I ski very carefully and much more slowly than I do in a lesson, and I don't go off-piste. All my ski injuries have happened in lessons. I broke my shoulder in a lesson on the dry slope, I broke my toe in a mogul lesson in Courchevel, and a few weeks ago I hurt my arm in our off-piste initiation lesson.

How did you manage to break your toe in a ski boot?

tin pot wrote:So I'm going to guess the important bit is that they're paid.

I show my friends around a resort, that's fine. I stay in a chalet and one of the staff show me around the pistes, that's bad.

At no point will I pay ESF for that service, so good luck to 'em.

I predict many staff will soon have days off, and choose to spend that time showing new friends around the pistes.

Good luck with this!I know some people working for chalets - there is no way they will spend their days off skiing with guests and showing them around. People are going for these jobs to maximize their own skiing time. If you have to ski with guests in your time off this stops being a job and becomes a slavery.

This is reposted from elsewhere and this is the ESF Meribel reply to one of the facebook poster calling them a "disgrace"'

Our company is not a disgrace. You have to understand that there are laws in France, like in the UK, that must be respected. In this case the laws have not been respected therefore we had to do something. We understand that ski hosting is a part of the English culture, which is why we have tolerated one or two days ski hosting by our partner tour operators. In this case it was 4 and a half days ski hosting per week which was not acceptable.
Also, the English staff were not paid according to the French Law. As they were working in France they have to understand they have to work by the French Law. If a French company was to set up in England they would have to follow the English Laws and if they did not it is certain that they would be prosecuted and everyone would understand the situation. To conclude, this is why I feel you are not looking at the siutation objectively.


Maybe you guys, indeed, should stop whinging like children who just lost their favourite toy and look at the situation objectively? I can understand that everyone wants to get as much as they can, have all the options opened for them, have a foot massage and coffee in bed and all for 199.99 all included with taxes, but this is not how things work in real life. ESF reply also highlights the fact that if you close your eyes on some minor violations, people will eventually start taking a p!ss - just like TOs have started. 24 pages of silly complaints and proposals in a week. This is getting ridiculous. There were even an article in the Telegraph and radio programs on BBC. "Protectionism, nationalism" has nothing to do with it, and I doubt that TO in question will even appeal in Chambery, let alone EU. Why not appeal to the Human Rights Court since there is a feeling that one of your basic rights do as you wish has been violated? This is a pure PR move which will stop where it has started - in the press-room, because the chance of winning appeal in all these instances is exactly the same as it was to win the original case - nil. I also suspect that other countries will also make a move to make sure their existing laws are respected.

Lol. "Whining like children"? I'll respond to the ESF bit, I think.

Nobody is arguing whether laws need to be respected or not. What is clear is that French law protects ESF trade, and works against both British instructors and "ski hosts".

It's laughable because whilst the French promote their joint control of Europe forcing other countries to comply with EU regulations, they pass protectionist laws in their own country - it's hypocracy.

Ski hosting is not a big deal to me, but it clearly is to others, not least the British run chalet businesses. Simply insulting those who don't like this news isn't a mature way to argue your point.

Blimey guys talk about flogging a thread to death, this is all in your hands
if you really want ski hosting don't go to france, play the french at their own game ........ but you know what the people who complain the most about not having ski hosting in France will still ski france next year. :shock:

"Nobody is arguing whether laws need to be respected or not. What is clear is that French law protects ESF trade, and works against both British instructors and "ski hosts".

This protects all ski schools including the numerous British independent ski instructors in Alps and BASS etc etc. ESF as the major employer of ski instructors in France has highlighted a point which individuals alone would not have bought against the TO's. British independent instructors and guides were the people being hurt the most by previous situation.