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Tour Op To Fight On After Losing Round 2 Of Hosting Case

J2SkiNews posted Sep-2014



A French appeals court judge if Chambery has found against British tour operator Le Ski in the company's appeal against their prosecution for ski hosting in France.

The judge's decision came despite Le Ski's lawyer arguing that as some groups of people, including school teachers, were allowed to lead groups on French ski slopes without having top level French ski instructor qualifications, it was discriminatory and therefore in breach of European law, to stop British tour operators from allowing their staff to host clients free of charge.

Le Ski say they hope now to appeal to the High Court in Paris and, if necessary, the European Court.

Ski hosting is a service offered by British tour operators in ski resorts around the world, with a similar service offered by many resorts themselves, which essentially allows skiers employed by the company who know the resort well but do not have formal ski teaching qualifications, to 'host' groups on a tour of the easy slopes close to the resort at the start of their holiday to give them advice on the main attractions of the ski area for their ability level.

Le Ski has been backed in their court case, which began with the arrest of members of their staff in early 2013, by a group of ten British tour operators, including the country's three largest ski tour operators, who have all ceased hosting activities, although some now operate similar services in conjunction with some French ski schools, and/or have non-skiing staff positioned at key points in the lift network at French resorts to give advice.

The French National Ski School, the ESF, has been keen to distance itself from responsibility for the legal action, but the courts have made cash awards in damages to the ESF, apparently implying that if Brits were not given free tours they'd pay French ski instructors to take them round. However the appeal court is reported to have reduced the initial award.

"We are very disappointed to report that Le Ski's Chambery appeal against the ski hosting ruling has been rejected. The court did uphold part of the appeal referring to Le Ski's insurance policy which it confirmed did cover the company for ski hosting. The court also substantially reduced the amount of damages which had been awarded to the Ecole du Ski Français (ESF)" said a statement from the group of British tour operators supporting Le Ski, who are Alpine Elements, Crystal Ski Holidays, Esprit Ski, Inghams, Mark Warner, Neilson, Ski Olympic, Ski Total, Skiworld and Thomson Ski.

The case, and other separate French court cases against the Ski Club of Great Britain and others, has been reported as a France v Britain issue in some media outlets, but there are reports of court actions against clubs and companies from other countries, and from within France, under the same or similar circumstances, including for other outdoor activities besides snowsports, and while the issue is mostly confined to France, at least one Austrian area is known to be taking a similar stance.
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Edited 1 time. Last update at 05-Sep-2014

Verbier_ski_bum
reply to 'Tour Op To Fight On After Losing Round 2 Of Hosting Case'
posted Sep-2014

If they bang their heads off the wall hard enough it might help. Just saying... poor chalet operators. In Switzerland they are not allowed to employ slave labour, in France they can't do "ski hosting". Maybe time has come actually to respect local laws and regulations, learn the concept of "fair competition" and find a new business model?

Dave Mac
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posted Sep-2014

VSB, the whole European bureaucratic ethos is AGAINST local laws and regulations. So now, we can no longer choose to buy our preferred vacuum cleaner....
Also, the Swiss rates of pay may be considered by the recipients of the average rates of European pay as slightly over the edge of "slave labour".
By a significant Utopean multiple.

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Verbier_ski_bum
reply to 'Tour Op To Fight On After Losing Round 2 Of Hosting Case'
posted Sep-2014

Dave, you are missing the point about rates of pay. You should get paid Swiss wage if you work and live in Switzerland. Or a French rate - if you work and live in France etc. The average rates of European pay are irrelevant and do not define in any way what's over and what's below the edge of 'slave labour' in Switzerland.

Andyhull
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posted Sep-2014

But the salary is only a small part of the package. How much is the accommodation, food, travel, passes worth on top? Not to mention the experience.
If it was slave labour you wouldn't have hundreds of youngsters queuing up to do it year after year. Many of them returning for a second or third season.

Volf
reply to 'Tour Op To Fight On After Losing Round 2 Of Hosting Case'
posted Sep-2014

Yes but the French are getting the accommodation, the lift passes, the food AND the wages. The reason the English kids do it for slave wages is they know no better. The trouble is, pay peanuts...
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Dave Mac
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posted Sep-2014

Volf, that is a bit insulting towards English, and young people.
There are young people of all nationalities that work in ski resorts, including Scots, Welsh and Irish.
It is a choice that people make. There is a market rate, set by the amount that people are willing to pay for their winter holidays.

Verbier_ski_bum
reply to 'Tour Op To Fight On After Losing Round 2 Of Hosting Case'
posted Sep-2014

andyhull wrote:But the salary is only a small part of the package. How much is the accommodation, food, travel, passes worth on top? Not to mention the experience.
If it was slave labour you wouldn't have hundreds of youngsters queuing up to do it year after year. Many of them returning for a second or third season.


So how much does travel cost? 500 swiss francs return - max.. Or do they fly personnel with business class and big carriers? This is one single expense per contract. I suppose often staff is being shipped on charters like Thompson etc. so it's even less. I also saw typical accommodation and there is no way it can account for alleged deductions. And they eat in, so can't see it making up numbers too. I saw jobs advertised on Natives, 100 pounds a week. 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. In Switzerland. Are you seriously suggesting that they deduce 3000 Swiss francs a month for food and accommodation? I live in this country and I know how much things cost and I can safely assume that chalet workers are being robbed of their wages.

Topic last updated on 16-September-2014 at 22:54