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Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?

Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?

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Started by Kowal.Ski in Ski Hardware - 30 Replies

Re:Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?

Ranchero_1979
reply to 'Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?'
posted Mar-2017

Interesting point about boot size, I did some impromptu skiing at the weekend. First time renting boots for 10+yrs and were handed over a pair a full 2.0 shell sizes larger than my own boots. Changed down a size shell size but there was still that feeling that although comfortable some horrible lower leg injury could occur at a moments notice.

I can concur with posts from Wanderer / Swinging Beep. My own ACL injury having nothing to do with din settings and everything to do with poop technique.

As for DIN settings my own rule of thumb (weight KG/10)-1 onpiste and (weight KG/10)-0.5 offpiste. 75 KG so 6.5 and 7.0 are a good starting point (no idea how that relates to any published chart but assume is close). Only time have every diverged much from that is with Fritschi bindings which seem to release a little too easy particularly when ski flexes e.g. moguls.

Edited 1 time. Last update at 02-Mar-2017

Chateaudoz
reply to 'Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?'
posted Mar-2017

Another thing...following on from the previous excellent posts...ski boot maintenance.
Not relevant for renters but many skiers buy their boots as a lifetime investment.
A couple of weeks ago I noticed that I was having problems closing the bindings but put this down to minor snow build up and stamped them in.
Then I had a look at the wear on the heel (thought I was going to need new boots) but a quick search for spare parts on the Internet I found and ordered replacements for a total cost of 27GBP.
I have just replaced the heel and toe pieces on my 12 year old boots. I've probably skied about 700 days/100 weeks on the boots in that time and obviously walking across carparks and down the odd road has had its effects.
I still get a thrill (a very small one) when I see an old pair of SX80s and their like but I do wonder what kind of state those boots are in.

SwingBeep
reply to 'Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?'
posted Mar-2017

The sole thickness for alpine ski boot is covered by ISO 5355: Alpine ski-boots -- Requirements and test methods. The thickness at the front is supposed to be 19 mm ± 1mm and 30 mm ± 1 mm at the heel.
It might be relevant for renters, as the hire shops are supposed to check the boots and bindings in accordance with yet another standard ISO 13993: Rental ski shop practice -- Sampling and inspection of complete and incomplete alpine ski-binding-boot systems in rental applications, but they seldom do.

I think it stands to reason that a loose fitting boot or a boot that's slopping about in the binding due to worn soles won't release in the same way that a well fitting new boot will.

Wanderer
reply to 'Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?'
posted Mar-2017

SwingBeep wrote:The sole thickness for alpine ski boot is covered by ISO 5355: Alpine ski-boots -- Requirements and test methods. The thickness at the front is supposed to be 19 mm ± 1mm and 30 mm ± 1 mm at the heel.
It might be relevant for renters, as the hire shops are supposed to check the boots and bindings in accordance with yet another standard ISO 13993: Rental ski shop practice -- Sampling and inspection of complete and incomplete alpine ski-binding-boot systems in rental applications, but they seldom do.

I think it stands to reason that a loose fitting boot or a boot that's slopping about in the binding due to worn soles won't release in the same way that a well fitting new boot will.


Swingbeep - you are a veritable skiing encyclopedia :thumbup:

Ranchero_1979
reply to 'Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?'
posted Mar-2017

Swingbeep - you are a veritable skiing encyclopedia :thumbup:


Good to have a resident brain to get beyond our personal bias

Brucie
reply to 'Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?'
posted Mar-2017

Surely a worn boot sole would release easier and more often. Are we suggesting this may be the reason for more injuries?
"Better to remain reticent and have people think one is an idiot, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"

SwingBeep
reply to 'Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?'
posted Mar-2017

It could well do, inadvertent pre-release is really undesirable and can lead to very serious injuries if it happens when travelling at speed. Imagine what's likely to happen if your outside ski suddenly drops off at the apex of a turn whilst your travelling at 60 km/h. There must be a reason for the pretty tight sole thickness tolerance.

Ranchero_1979
reply to 'Increased knee injuries related to higher binding settings?'
posted Mar-2017

My main concern with loose boots and maybe same logic applies to bindings is that they allow you to create small angles of miss alignment between limb and force being applied though ski. I can imagine a theoretical scenario where your ligament is under 50% more strain due to miss-alignment, so even if your binding releases 25% easier you still more likely to damage your knee. Of course this miss-alignment only needs to exist for a microsecond for injury to occur.

Topic last updated on 16-March-2017 at 17:37