using a drag lift

Thanks jan i think you have cracked the problem!
What you described about the skis snaking wildly is exactly what is happening so i think she is leaning forward as though you are taught to ski down a hill.
Many thanks you have possibly saved my skiing life!!!

Trencher wrote:

ise wrote:
Surface lifts are often used in places where pylons for aerial lifts can't be installed like glaciers for example or where they'd be susceptible to wind or where low amounts of traffic make them more effective and efficient.

Ise, what percentage of drag lifts do you think would fit the circumstances you mention ?. It's very easy for me to get the impression that drag lift are wide spread. Every other Euro skiing video I see on utube has a drag lift in the background.

Trencher

100% obviously ) What percentage of that is purely where they're more efficient is a more interesting question, that's going to be over 50% I'd bet.

I agree the percentage of tee bars is too high, but that is not going to answer this lady's problem. Jan is right, "Stand up", and "Strong legs" The sitting down is a reaction to the T bar pull. Don't react.

And this leads me to another story....

We are at the bottom of the beginners slope in Niederau, (back in the early mists of time) I am skis off, helping the lift man to load my class onto their first T bar. Three times this rather over-buxom lady, (we are talking over 14stone, 90kgm) fell off, before I signalled to the lift man. A big grin went round the other instructors, they knew what was coming.

I jumped onto my skis, positioned on the left, and when the bar went between us, grabbed her round the waist, and hoisted her up off the snow. We arrived at the top, sweat pouring from everywhere, before I gently deposited her off to one side, and tried to pretend that this was quite a normal part of teaching.

To be fair, every one of the instructors at the bottom bought me a beer.

Another contributary factor to the dodgy knee...

nice to know that i am not the only one who has problems with drags. been skiing for quite a few years and still crap though reds arent a problem, but have to admit to scanning piste maps before i start in the morning to try to make sure i dont end up in a dead end where there are no options except for a drag lift.

And until you see the drag, its not always possible to know just what its level of difficulty is going to be. some of them could feature in a channel 4 series.

The ones that go up 45 degree slopes on small tracks with severe drops and then change directions whilst going downhill just give me the pure w*ll**s. Have fallen off in places which i would rather not think about....

It often is the simple questions that cause much discussion!

There are three basic reasons for such "lifts"!
1. Economic
Many of the European centers are local/village type centers! it costs much less to have such lifts!

2.Many such lifts are in the high plateau/peak areas of skiing again cost is factor but also ecological impact!

3. In high "avalanch" areas it is better to have such lifts, since rebuilding pulley type system is much easier and cheaper!
If you ever ski Fernie Ski Resort, there is a T-bar lift that every year gets ripped away by avalanche. In fact the top anchor posts and pulley system are designed to release from base!
In Fall a new system is place!

pavelski wrote:It often is the simple questions that cause much discussion!

There are three basic reasons for such "lifts"!
1. Economic
Many of the European centers are local/village type centers! it costs much less to have such lifts!

pavelski wrote:2.Many such lifts are in the high plateau/peak areas of skiing again cost is factor but also ecological impact!

the impact of a ground lift is far higher in ecological terms, they disturb the local flora and fauna, that's why you see chamois or ibex under aerial lifts and not strolling along side you on a drag lift.

pavelski wrote:3. In high "avalanch" areas it is better to have such lifts, since rebuilding pulley type system is much easier and cheaper!
If you ever ski Fernie Ski Resort, there is a T-bar lift that every year gets ripped away by avalanche. In fact the top anchor posts and pulley system are designed to release from base!
In Fall a new system is place!

that might be true in Fernie, although I doubt it really, in the rest of the world lifts are protected from avalanche risk, less people die that way. Aerial lifts are much safer, pylons can be placed at safe distance in islands of safety with spans extending over any terrain traps.

http://www.avalanche.org/proc-show.php3?OID=5406924

You never know


Trencher

Trencher wrote:http://www.avalanche.org/proc-show.php3?OID=5406924

You never know


Trencher

Interesting incident, more so because it was inbounds as I read the report. Was it you who commented a while back inbounds incidents were on the increase?