TURNING AND STOPPING!

verbier_ski_bum wrote:Did it persist for your whole ski holiday? This is really strange and now it's difficult to isolate the problem. Could be anything, really, including even skis on "wrong" feet or snow on boot soles/bindings, or boot not put on properly, but these normally don't last very long before being figured out and fixed. Strange. Maybe your removed insoles had something to do with it. Was it on both skis or on one side only?

It persisted all holiday....in fact got worse as legs got tied trying to snowplough!!!! Had to eventually get down a slope by 'going for it' and look like bambi on ice stopping!!! Gave up mid week before lost my confidence. Just seem strange as I class myself as an experienced skier and not really had to think about it before. None of my fellow skiers could see any change in my stance etc..... And have skied with them for past 11 years so they know how I ski etc....

Sounds to me like your boots might be too big, the first thing I would do is a shell check. Take the liner out of one of the boots put your foot in the empty shell and with your toes brushing the front of the shell get someone to check how much space (in mm) there is between your heel and the boot shell, then move your foot into the centre of the shell and move the front of your foot side to side at that point and estimate how much space there is either side of your foot and the shell.

Skiing is a mid stance activity, there is no heel strike or toe off in skiing, so insoles designed for walking aren't ideal.



A much better solution is to use insoles designed for skiing that support the foot with the Subtalar joint in a neutral position.

Iamthemrs wrote:

SwingBeep wrote:Sounds to me like your boots might be too big, the first thing I would do is a shell check. Take the liner out of one of the boots put your foot in the empty shell and with your toes brushing the front of the shell get someone to check how much space (in mm) there is between your heel and the boot shell, then move your foot into the centre of the shell and move the front of your foot side to side at that point and estimate how much space there is either side of your foot and the shell.

Skiing is a mid stance activity, there is no heel strike or toe off in skiing, so insoles designed for walking aren't ideal.
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A much better solution is to use insoles designed for skiing that support the foot with the Subtalar joint in a neutral position.
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THANKS SO MUCH :D

Swingbeep, all good, but the bit of missing logic is that the OP has successfully used the same ski/boot set up for previous ops. If the boots were too big this year, they were too big last year ~ but last year there was no skiing issue.

The only identified change was the inner soles. All I offer on this, is a possibility that there is a small degree of change in stance, which could be multiplied.

However, an individual might change their stance on an involuntary basis. Prevailing snow conditions may induce an individual to lean back, and lessen control.

It is certainly an odd one.

Technique. Lessons.
Snowploughing??
Take more lessons.

Have to say we are over thinking this, do have any video from ski holiday as this will reveal all you need to know. However the most likely causes are:

1) New ski shapes do not work especially well for people who cannot put a ski on the edge and feel very unstable if you don't. Really reads to me that this is your issue and is exacerbated as you lose confidence and go on less steep slopes as you end up needing to really work hard to get ski on an edge. Simple solution is a ski lesson. I have some fat straight Kastle for offpiste and you don't engage the tip of the outside ski when onpiste then that one is just not following you. Having feet too close together is one of the root cause of this as basically no space to create an angle.

2)You are less fit than last year, skiing less dynamic and hence above.

3)Boot is a bit sloppy but really this alone does not explain what you described. Skiing with your boots unbuckled is an art but you can ski.

Service skis
Experience ??? Take lessons (there are still people around who think they do not need lessons )
Technical issues can raise their ugly head when your weight is not forward in the ski

Basically taking a lesson when something feels off is the best way to isolate the problem. Trying to ski with skis running away from you can be dangerous.