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Started by Max Cottle in Ski Chatter - 58 Replies

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Ise
reply to 'Best Ways to get Ski Fit' posted Jun-2007

bandit wrote:
For the dehydration.....water....lemonade.....any soft drink :lol:


I'm a big fan of those energy drinks, Isostar is my preferred one. I've a personal concern that my sugar levels get slightly low, mostly due to not having a proper breakfast sometimes.

Ski touring is particularly demanding and I'd get through about 1.5 litres in a day typically. There's a limit to how much you can carry of course although it gets lighter during the day :D

Bandit
reply to 'Best Ways to get Ski Fit' posted Jun-2007

ise wrote:
bandit wrote:
For the dehydration.....water....lemonade.....any soft drink :lol:


I'm a big fan of those energy drinks, Isostar is my preferred one. I've a personal concern that my sugar levels get slightly low, mostly due to not having a proper breakfast sometimes.
:D

IMHO, a serious skier would not contemplate setting off without a decent breakfast :wink:
It takes 5 minutes to prepare and eat a bowl of cereal, which would provide hours of carb energy. You must have a very busy life :D

Hmmm Isostar, carb based, works well for exercise rehydration and supplemental energy, but I'm not sure how well it would work for relieving the dehydration headache caused by alcohol consumption :lol:

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Max Cottle
reply to 'Best Ways to get Ski Fit' posted Jun-2007

And if you read the studies you'll see they include professional athletes across a number of disciplines and in all cases covered supervised regimes. The research proves increased injury risk and decreased performance in all cases, the suggestion this might only affect the general public is entirely unsupported by the data.

Talking with my physio' they question at what time this was ever any different, the recent research might contradict some folklore but it doesn't really say anything that wasn't known all along.

People like their little rituals and skiers are no exception, in fact they're rather worse than many. The desire to pose around at the top of lift proving how hardcore they are explains much of the desire to stretch in my opinion


Dude I have not read the research and wouldn't care to, I doubt many people other than you have, but I'll tell you something about studies and research for every on who says one thing there will be others who disagree. You can't always be right...

Further more I was speaking, if you read my post from my own experience, when I have done sports i have benefitted from stretching. I didn't say that that the general public wouldn't be able to manage it. I said that people who don't stretch regularly or are not flexible may find it a chore.

Also I have Never seen anyone stood at the top of a ski lift stretching, that Is likely to cause you an injury as your muscles are likely to be cold.

I have never stretched before or after skiing, although I do think that it would be a benefit. I am not a doctor, a physio or a sports therapist, but then I suspect neither are you. let people do what they do man we are neither of us experts so should not offer our opinions as fact.

I tell people that this is my opinion based on my experience

Ise
reply to 'Best Ways to get Ski Fit' posted Jun-2007

Max Cottle wrote:
And if you read the studies you'll see they include professional athletes across a number of disciplines and in all cases covered supervised regimes. The research proves increased injury risk and decreased performance in all cases, the suggestion this might only affect the general public is entirely unsupported by the data.

Talking with my physio' they question at what time this was ever any different, the recent research might contradict some folklore but it doesn't really say anything that wasn't known all along.

People like their little rituals and skiers are no exception, in fact they're rather worse than many. The desire to pose around at the top of lift proving how hardcore they are explains much of the desire to stretch in my opinion


Dude I have not read the research and wouldn't care to, I doubt many people other than you have, but I'll tell you something about studies and research for every on who says one thing there will be others who disagree. You can't always be right...




There has been no conflicting research on this to my knowledge. In the absence of evidence to the contrary we'll take it as being true.

Ise
reply to 'Best Ways to get Ski Fit' posted Jun-2007

bandit wrote:
IMHO, a serious skier would not contemplate setting off without a decent breakfast :wink:
It takes 5 minutes to prepare and eat a bowl of cereal, which would provide hours of carb energy. You must have a very busy life :D

Hmmm Isostar, carb based, works well for exercise rehydration and supplemental energy, but I'm not sure how well it would work for relieving the dehydration headache caused by alcohol consumption :lol:


Well, I'm notoriously not a very serious skier of course :D I don't find cereals work for me, I'm not sure why, porridge does but nearly anything else doesn't and I find a benefit from some sugar, like a donut :D It's probably a ritual though as much as anything. Obviously I get a few days skiing in a year mostly and I noticed last season a bit a few days I felt a bit drained mid-morning and initially switched from having a quick coffee to hot chocolate or lemonade and thought I could feel a difference.

Isostar is carb' and some salts of course, again it's hard to know if it's a ritual or really beneficial. If I have it right the effects of dehydration set in before you actually feel thirsty as well which makes it doubly important to keep drinking stuff.

How much benefit the isostar drink and one of their energy bars has compared to water and a digestive biscuit is anyone's guess :D But digestive biscuits are hard to come by here anyway.

I would say to be careful of some of the flavours though, I bought some other brand recently and when last out touring we stopped and I nearly choked on the stuff, about as pleasant as dental mouth wash :D

Edited 1 time. Last update at 07-Jun-2007

Bandit
reply to 'Best Ways to get Ski Fit' posted Jun-2007

ise wrote:

Well, I'm notoriously not a very serious skier of course :D I don't find cereals work for me, I'm not sure why, porridge does but nearly anything else doesn't and I find a benefit from some sugar, like a donut :D It's probably a ritual though as much as anything. Obviously I get a few days skiing in a year mostly and I noticed last season a bit a few days I felt a bit drained mid-morning and initially switched from having a quick coffee to hot chocolate or lemonade and thought I could feel a difference.

Isostar is carb' and some salts of course, again it's hard to know if it's a ritual or really beneficial. If I have it right the effects of dehydration set in before you actually feel thirsty as well which makes it doubly important to keep drinking stuff.


How much benefit the isostar drink and one of their energy bars has compared to water and a digestive biscuit is anyone's guess :D But digestive biscuits are hard to come by here anyway.

I would say to be careful of some of the flavours though, I bought some other brand recently and when last out touring we stopped and I nearly choked on the stuff, about as pleasant as dental mouth wash :D


Well, okay, forget the cereals idea, and have a bowl of fruit instead, and porridge when the weather is really cold :D Oats are one of the very best slow release carbohydrates :D
Of course you will know that the concept of eating breakfast is to replenish the blood sugar levels within the body. A donut will do the trick(fat and sugar, some carbohydrate), unfortunately it may give you a sugar rush, you will release insulin to process it, and after your body has burned the sugar, plunge your blood sugar even lower! Would this have accounted for your need to supplement your blood sugar in the middle of a ski session?

As a notoriously non serious skier, the challenge for you is to find a slow release carbohydrate that you enjoy eating, and works for your system :wink:

I always carry muesli bars when skiing, as I know from experience that I must eat regularly, because when my blood sugar falls, I get a nasty headache.

Yes, Isostar needs a loading intake before exercise begins, as well as quenching thirst during exercise. It's supposed to provide a controlled release of carb, avoiding blood sugar surges...allegedly. Just a minor word of caution with Isostar, if you don't burn the carbs you ingest, you will get fatter, it's the calories :wink:

Oooh, what was the brand that tasted like mouthwash? :shock:

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Max Cottle
reply to 'Best Ways to get Ski Fit' posted Jun-2007

There has been no conflicting research on this to my knowledge. In the absence of evidence to the contrary we'll take it as being true.


Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't there dude.

Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence....

I can only shake my head, there is no point argueing

Edited 1 time. Last update at 07-Jun-2007

Ise
reply to 'Best Ways to get Ski Fit' posted Jun-2007

Max Cottle wrote:
There has been no conflicting research on this to my knowledge. In the absence of evidence to the contrary we'll take it as being true.


Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't there dude.

Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence....

I can only shake my head, there is no point argueing


don't call me dude please.

There's been several studies seeking to confirm or refute the original findings which have only confirmed the original research. These are published in several journals of sports medicine and picked up by professional bodies and various sporting organisations.So, there's no absence of evidence here, there's been multiple studies carried out all over the world using hugely diverse subjects. I can't quite understand why you're arguing about something you've not read on the basis of something that doesn't exist but endeavouring to suggest might or might sometime in the future.

I also think you're being more than a little rude about the researchers involved. If you choose not to believe something that's no concern of mine but unless you've some evidence to the contrary you really shouldn't rubbish the expert research in the field.

I don't care whether people stretch or not, it's a matter of total indifference to me. The current thinking is that we shouldn't be advising people to stretch before exercise, this is reflected in training for PSIA and BASI candidates who are the sort of people you've already had one pop at in suggesting no one reads this type of research.

Not doing stretching was certainly the recommendation when I did my ski instructor training, I'm simply sharing that good practice and I didn't really expect to be contradicted at every turn without a single shred of contrary evidence. I'm not dogmatic in any way at all about this, I have absolutely no opinion whatsoever on the subject, if the research community start providing research that alters then I'd happily accept that as I would accept the word of anyone better qualified and more experienced than I am.

Topic last updated on 18-June-2007 at 14:34