J2Ski Forum Posts and Replies by Mike from NS

Good reply Bandit :!:

Thanks for the laugh :!: :D

Mike :wink:

bandit wrote:Errrrr, you guys are trying to 2nd guess the business motives of a multinational company.
This will allow you to make any speculation you want to make fit the facts, so it must be true.

:-D

:thumbup: :thumbup:

However ..... maybe Marker realizes that some skiers want input or direction from the manufacturers as this will make for happy customers and returning customers. They go with the fable - "you get more with a smile than a frown..." The other guys can't care as much....I'll look into it. :evil:

I must agree with Tony ... he wasn't being rude at all.

Too bad the oil companies wouldn't have some sort of concern for their customers. :cry:

Mike :wink:

Tony_H wrote:

Mike from NS wrote:

Thanks for that info Mike. As I have Marker bindings, I will be doing the same.

Also, if Pav says its good for him, then its good for me )

Tony,

I was about to reply to bandit with what you just said. That being Marker cares .... :-)

I haven't looked for what the other binding manufacturers suggest but I take what Marker says as a form of "customer service"

I also take it to say "We know our bindings are good and with due care they will serve you well ... to take care of them - reduce the DIN..."

And it was seeming to me that ise must be in the spring replacement business. It takes no effort to wind back the tension, yet he really seems to be against it :shock:

Sure it is engineering and the best engineering is done with an open mind. It terms of load an application maybe there is little effect from dropping the DIN ( I haven't run the calculations )but I like to err on the side of caution - keeping an open mind.

If the engineers running the Phoenix Mars mission kept
a closed mind to the suggestion of capturing the Phoenix in the decent stage with the HiRise craft we would not have that neat photo of the Phoenix with parachute attached as it fell to the Mars surface. The first ever photo from one spacecraft taken by another while at Mars. Oh yes this has no bearing on simple spring tension release, but it is a prime example of engineering with an open mind.

Glad the FAQ's page was of use to you Tony. It looks like ise is a tad tired of this discussion. :D

Mike :wink:

IceGhost wrote:Can someone dumb this conversation down for me :wink: gimme the cliff notes

Ice Ghost;
On page 4 Bandit questioned dropping the DIN setting for the ski storage time and said ..."The latest tech manual I have is the 05/06 US Tyrolia, and I can't see this anywhere amongst the 80 odd pages"

Ise suggests it is a waste of time and only done as a ritual ... if I read his comments correctly. DaveMac suggests that the spring under load may show signs of creep which may change the characteristics of the spring - however slightly.

As part of wise maintenance and to promote longer binding (spring)life, Pavel suggests to drop the DIN. This too is why I am on side with dropping the spring setting. A spring under no load will last longer than one under load. However small the difference.... and I want my bindings to out live me ! No harm will come from dropping the setting; and I'm sure that more good will be the end result. If you take care of your gear, your gear will take care of you :!:

The Marker Bindings and Product Guide FAQ's ( http://www.marker.de/en/product-guide/F.A.Q.) recommend dropping the DIN for summer storage to relieve the tension: " You should turn down the Z-number (DIN/ISO) of your binding to the minimum setting to relieve the spring...." they say and also caution in proper resetting before ski time returns.

In short you need to adopt what works for you. :wink:
There are as many opinions as there are people willing to voice them.

Mike
:shock:

Take a look at this item and especially item #7 under the heading of Binding Maintenance.

http://www.skiseeker.biz/main.cfm?p=4000&l=en&SectionID=2&ContenuID=25

Like they say ...fatigue is the potential problem. Doing some simple maintenance will save $$$.

Springs can be very complicated things and for
some in depth reading on a night when you find the time long or just want to get into deep study of the things, take a look here: http://www.mitcalc.com/doc/sprcompress/help/en/sprcompresstxt.htm

Even an elastic band will loose it's strength over time if under continual tension.

For even more study on the subject look into the molecular metallurgy of the materials than make up springs. If there is a load on the spring the molecular metallurgy of the spring could change over time.

Another reason to drop the DIN is because we can pretend to be a cool ski technician with a screwdriver as a weapon! :lol:

Mike :wink:

Admin wrote:

Hirsty wrote:Do I not get a squirrel related bonus prize? :D

Nuts!

Cashews would be nice :!: :!: :lol:

Congratulations Dave Mac

Mike :wink:

pavelski wrote:Dave Mac,
Have you been talking to Mike?
In every course I teach I have student who gives more more than I asked,,then asks me to pick the best ones! This is called, the "shotgun" approach in evaluation circles!
Mike is the master of this approach and has won many contests using this approach!

Ahhh , yes the springtime sleepless nights !!! :mrgreen:

Pavel, I too thought that Dave Mac had adopted "my" style of the "shogun" approach. :mrgreen: I really prefer thinking of this method as more of the "open minded" approach than the shotgun. It is less violent. :P We were taught to keep an open mind as it is far too easy to develop tunnel vision otherwise.

So perhaps I am now developing an "all encompassing approach" with the single reply of "planning ahead for future needs" as applied to everything. ...Keeping it simple .....

Mike :wink:

Thanks IceGhost... you're not so bad either :mrgreen:

How is your foot coming? I hope you will be back in shape for next winter:!: Your 10 things might include foot exercises and more foot exercises ..... You may be in the best shape of anyone. :shock:

Mike

The 10 Essential Things you must do this summer!!!!! Started by User in Ski Chatter, 119 Replies
Good reply Bandit :!: Thanks for the laugh :!: :D Mike :wink:

The 10 Essential Things you must do this summer!!!!! Started by User in Ski Chatter, 119 Replies
Admin wrote: Hirsty wrote:Do I not get a squirrel related bonus prize? :D Nuts! Cashews would be nice :!: :!: :lol: Congratulations Dave Mac Mike :wink:

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