J2Ski Forum Posts and Replies by SwingBeep

Oh shi……… :oops: :oops: :oops:! You are absolutely right Iainm, thanks for taking the time to read it! If I had read past 6 in the second paragraph I would have saved myself an awful lot of embarrassment!

The Italian PLF is a bit of a PITA to fill out, the app was written by a Greek firm and sometimes you think it might as well be in Greek! Permanent address = your home address and temporary address = where you will be staying. Often the address given for a hotel is incomplete, the region / province isn't given or the street name is missing. If this is the case search for the hotel on Google maps and take the street name from there. Once you have filled out all the non-optional boxes correctly it should allow you to continue.

I wouldn't rely too much on the travel information on the GOV.UK website or on any other foreign government website as it often takes a while for them to get updated and the information provided is in no way legally binding.

There is no mention that children under 18 do not need to quarantine if they are travelling to Italy with a fully vaccinated parent on the Italian Ministry of Health website for travellers, it only mentions children under six.


https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioContenutiNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english&id=5412&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto&tab=4

However, the Italian Embassy website states that children aged 6 to 17 can enter without the need to quarantine. https://amblondra.esteri.it/ambasciata_londra/en/ambasciata/ufficio-stampa/news/2020/03/covid-19-avviso-per-i-cittadini.html

Someone somewhere has obviously screwed up. Is it the Ministry of Health, which drafts the Covid-19 ordinances or the embassy? As it's Italy anything's possible.

There is some hope, the ordinance governing the decision to put the UK on list D expires on 31st Jan. The date of 31st Mar. I originally posted above is the date on which the current state of emergency is due to end. :oops:

If the Italian government decides put the UK back on List C and does not introduce any further measures your trip might still be able to go ahead, but you may still need to get a recovery certificate. It looks like you can get one via the NHS App but you have to contact your GP surgery first and request access to GP online services for your children. https://www.nhsapp.service.nhs.uk/login If this doesn't work there are online providers who claim to be able to provide a recovery certificate for approx. £150.

The situation in Italy is deteriorating rapidly https://www.covidash.it/ hospitalisations are rising and hospitality businesses are having to close because of staff shortages due to quarantine / isolation. It is difficult to conceive that measures will be relaxed anytime soon. Yesterday they made vaccination compulsory for people aged 50 and over, from 15th Feb. the over 50s won't be allowed to go to work and won't be paid unless they are vaccinated or recovered.

The situation is much the same in Austria and Switzerland, the Austrians introduced further measures today.

As far as I can see the only exemptions are for children under 6. You might be able to get some further info via the international numbers for the Ministry of Health hotline.
https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioContenutiNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english&id=5374&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto

The link above is to the Italian Ministry of Health website, the UK is a List D country you need to be fully vaccinated. Further details can be found on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website https://www.esteri.it/en/ministero/normativaonline/focus-cittadini-italiani-in-rientro-dall-estero-e-cittadini-stranieri-in-italia/ The same information is also to be found on the Italian embassy website https://amblondra.esteri.it/ambasciata_londra/en/ambasciata/ufficio-stampa/news/2020/03/covid-19-avviso-per-i-cittadini.html The rules were changed on 16th Dec., you can now only enter Italy using a recovery certificate without quarantining for 5 days if you are traveling from a List C country.

At the moment and until at least 31st Jan. it looks like people traveling from the UK can only enter Italy if they are fully vaccinated.

"present the COVID-19 Green Certificate, or equivalent certificate, certifying the completion of the vaccination cycle to the transport operator at the time of boarding and to anyone appointed to carry out the checks".

https://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioContenutiNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?lingua=english&id=5412&area=nuovoCoronavirus&menu=vuoto&tab=4

Edit: date for end of state of emergency (31st Mar.) given instead of ordinance expiry date, 31st Jan. :oops:

Skiing while under the influence is covered by Article 31 (Alcohol and Toxological Tests) of Italy's new national law on skiing: Decreto Legislativo 28 febbraio 2021, n. 40 - norme sicurezza sport invernali https://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/03/19/21G00047/sg according to Article 33 (Penalty Regime) you can be fined 250 - 1,000 euros for skiing while under the influence of alcohol or toxicological substances and in the case of a particularly serious violation you could also have your lift pass suspended for up to three days.

No limit is specified in Art. 31, it just refers to another piece of legislation; Art. 379 of Presidential Decree no. 495 of 16.12.1992. This states that the verification of the state of drunkenness in accordance with Article 186, para 4, of Italy's highway code, is carried out by means of the analysis of exhaled alveolar air: if, on the basis of the concentration of alcohol in the exhaled alveolar air, the alcohol concentration corresponds to or exceeds 0.8 g/l, the person is considered to be in a state of intoxication. The UK 'breath limit' for driving is 35 mg of alcohol per 100 ml of breath, so it appears that the Italian limit for skiing is more than twice the UK drink driving limit.

However, reports in the Italian press https://www.tageszeitung.it/2021/12/30/die-neuen-pisten-regeln/ state that Italy's current drink driving limit of 0.5 g of alcohol per litre of blood will be applied. In Italy penalties for drink driving increase according to the amount of alcohol in the blood. 0.5 to 0.8 g/l could result in a 583 - 2170 euro fine and a driving ban of 3 to 6 months. 0.8 to 1.5 g/l could result in a 800 - 3200 euro fine, a driving ban of 6 months to 1 year and up to 6 months in jail. Over 1.5 g/l could result in a 1500 - 6000 euro fine, a driving ban of 1 to 2 years, 6 months to 1 year in jail, impounding of the vehicle, confiscation of vehicle (unless it belongs to a person who had nothing to do with the crime). If a drunk driver causes an accident, penalties can be doubled. The police and the carabinieri have the authority to stop vehicles for random checks. Driving with a blood alcohol level of more than 0.8 g/l is a criminal offence, skiing even when completely pissed is not.

If you are heading to Italy it would be a good idea to look at articles 17 -31 and article 33, among other things you can be fined for not moving to the side of the piste when you stop, leaving your skis on the piste outside a restaurant and not carrying a transceiver, probe and shovel when skiing off piste.

If you do get stopped for committing an offence under the new law you will be asked for proof of identity. All foreigners in Italy have to carry identification with them at all times https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/italy/local-laws-and-customs