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Skiing Etiquette
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 106 Replies
AllyG wrote:m. I ski behind them, and say 'Excusez-moi, je voudrais depasser a droight/gauche' and 'excuse me I would like to overtake on the right/left', and wait to make sure they have understood, before I overtake.


that's impressive :D I'd normally stick at droit/gauche/links/recht :D the only time I need to do this as a rule is on a long track out of a black or a road off an off-piste run so I don't wait around for them to see if they're wobbly or not.
blue runs - not??
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 15 Replies
steverandomno wrote:
P.s. I'm interested - what are the criteria used in Europe. I always thought it depended on the resort?


there's an homologation, you can see the signs in places stating when it was done I think. I've no idea if the full criteria are available somewhere but I think piste grading is one of a number of items. Of course the ski company insurers will also act to ensure grading is consistent
The story of the Swiss resort was on Radio 4 :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00j3vd0

blue runs - not??
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 15 Replies
shazzo wrote:
Following on from an issue raised in ski etiquette why on earth are so many of those runs with the narrow road section classed as blue?! I am a pretty reasoanble skier but still hate them as I am aware of the possibility than any small error could result in me lying in various size pieces 100 feet below, as evidenced by the poor guy in Alpe D'Huez this weekend.

It put my friend off skiing for life. After a very promising first day on the nursery slopes, the instructor took them up on the lift the next day and came down one of these which left the poor girl shaking for hours and a flat refusal to have any more to do with the sport!

I know skiiing is not for the faint hearted but I do think these runs need to be highlighted in some way so users can make informed decisions about the pistes they take.

Shazzo

steverandomno wrote:The problem is that these decisions are made by intermediate/advanced skiers who have forgotten the fear factor of being a beginner.



There's some misconceptions here. The run grading isn't arbitrary, it's based on gradients so it's an absolute measure not something someone made up, the idea that an experienced skier or instructor lacks the insight into what other people might find hard doesn't really stand up either.

The accident in Alpe D'Huez is very unfortunate and not all the facts are known yet but it was identified the skier was travelling at some speed and we know from the figures that skiing is pretty safe as a rule, not only in general, but specifically on that run in that ski station there's no history of accidents. You can judge how unlikely it is that something could "result in me lying in various size pieces 100 feet below" by how many times it happens which is not often.

If you're with an instructor then that's different, they shouldn't take you anywhere there's absolute risk and if they are they are at fault. But they should take you places where there's perceived and actual risk, one of things a beginner isn't good at is judging those differences. In outdoor ed' you reckon "no risk, no fun" :D If you're using a instructor and particularly a guide then you expect to be in that actual risk zone, it's one of the biggest things you're paying them for.

Like a lot of activities the most dangerous bit of skiing is getting there and using the roads :D
Skiing Etiquette
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 106 Replies
remarkable, one star for quoting the FIS rules, someone needs to grow up :roll:
Skiing Etiquette
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 106 Replies
AJ wrote:
Ally if someone whizzed past my kids on a particular narrow section just because they were skiing slower than them i would not be best pleased.
Experience should tell you that patience is a vertue and anything other than would probably end up with a pole being planted where the sun dont shine by MOI.


Is that really fair on everyone else? The FIS rules are just a good bit of common sense :
RESPECT FOR OTHERS - You must behave in such a way that you do not endanger others.

CONTROL OF SPEED AND SKIING - You must be in control, and adapt your speed and manner of skiing to your ability and the prevailing conditions of terrain, snow and weather, as well as to the density of other skiers.

CHOICE OF ROUTE - You must choose your route in such a way that, when coming from behind, you do not endanger others ahead.

OVERTAKING - Make sure that you leave enough room when overtaking others for any voluntary or involuntary movements that they may make.

ENTERING AND STARTING - When entering a marked run, or starting again after stopping, make sure that you look both up and down the run to ensure that you can do so without endangering yourself or other skiers.

STOPPING - Unless absolutely necessary, you must avoid stopping on the piste in narrow places or where visibility is restricted.

CLIMBING AND DESCENDING ON FOOT -When climbing or descending on foot, you must keep to the sides of the piste.

RESPECT FOR SIGNALS AND MARKINGS -You must respect all signals and markings.

ASSISTANCE - If an accident occurs, every skier is duty bound to assist.

IDENTIFICATION - Following an accident, every skier and witness, whether responsible or not for causing the accident, must exchange names and addresses.


If you're observing those, like choice of route and overtaking, there's no reason you shouldn't pass skiers in front of you. It's not unreasonable that the quicker skier having observed all of those rules should expect some reciprocal respect and courtesy from the slope user in front.
Skiing Etiquette
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 106 Replies
I think what you really need is some general etiquette :roll:

and fyi here's what I didn't misread :

Remember, the blues are actually there for the learners to learn on so don't be surprised if you go on a blue slope you find some people who are bit nervous and a bit slow, especially if they don't know the piste and are not sure where the turns are


you just decided it meant something else to start an argument :roll:
Skiing Etiquette
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 106 Replies
Trencher wrote:
ise wrote:
Trencher wrote:
There's always an exception to a general rule. Doesn't change the reality that if you run into someone who was below you on a run or track, the responsibility will likely be yours.

Trencher


that's alright then, if it won't be your fault then it's perfectly ok to throw yourself into the path of another skier, if no one can make me be careful then it'll be just fine not to bother :lol:


Do you think people really do that :roll:

Trencher


I think, and FIS agree, that everyone has a primary responsibility to respect other slope users and that responsibility is entirely independent of if you're up or down the slope.

I think you've no real point and are just being argumentative.