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New Skis Lust ...ISPO 2009
Started by User in Ski Hardware, 28 Replies
In my humble and limited opnion, the Palmer/Kessler carver's sidecut geometry is the primary influence on its behaviour. The tip doesn't seem to have a discernible "rocker" or "early rise" like the latest generation of powder skis do, but when on-edge, the Palmer/Kessler tip does come over into the turn and seems to feed the turn pressure smoothly toward the zone underfoot with its Klothoid sidecut curvature design. Not a revolutionary feel, but more of a refinement of carving skis I think. Very smooth and effective. I can see why snowboarders love the Kessler boards with the similar design.

Very interesting ski and very nicely built. Expensive, but then again, so are Audis, BMWs, Aston-Martins, Jaguars and the like...

The ski is a too narrow for any snow with depth to it, but for the first-thing-in-the-morning groomed runs when no one is on the hill yet....great ride. Seriously silly edge angles and hip-dragging turns are easy to do! Fun fun fun...but then again, I am biased toward carving skis as really fun toys.

Cheers.
Neiltoo wrote:
Mass-Produced Skiers Use Mass-Produced Skis


Please, .... is that the best you could come up with?

You might make great skis, but with stuff like that in your ads I wont be trying them :D


Sorry for the confusion...I don't make any skis at all, don't sell any skis, just try to list as many relatively lesser-known brands as I can find and then try to test as many as I can get my feet onto. It's just a fun hobby that has gotten out of control with the list grown to more than 200 ski builders! See the list at:

http://www.Exoticskis.com

"exoticskis" wrote:Storm Skis
"Devastator Pro"

(125-100-120) 24m radius @ 183cm
2009-2010 pre-production candidate



Storm Devastator Pro modeled by Val-D'Isere
off-piste coach/instructor and guide Olivier Renassia

(Olivier is a ripping skier recently brought on-board by Storm - He can show you the best ridge hiking routes, avalanche avoidance and cool stashes at Val-D'Isere and Tignes after spending more than ten seasons there...he also knows *everyone* at Val D...contact him through Mountain Masters or MountainPro)

(click here for LARGER version)


Manufacturer Info:


Storm Skis Ltd
18 Sanders Close
Shipley View
Ilkeston, Derbyshire DE7 9LN
UK

Tel: +44-07788-717055
http://www.stormskis.com

Background:


Storm Skis is one of two ski companies in the U.K. (both born last year, testing their skis this season for retail sales next year...both led by guys named Andrew...go figure..). Storm Skis is another tiny company founded by an ex pro skier (Andy David was British Freestyle mogul champion in 2002-2003 competing for 6 years in Europa and Continental Cup tours and specializes in big mountain freeriding) who wanted to make skis to his design and have his own ski business. With skiing and testing based primarily out of Verbier, Switzerland (Chris David - Andy's brother [Another British Europa/Continental Cup mogul pro] - helped make Altitude Snowsport School (http://www.altitude-extreme.co.uk) in Verbier a big success a while ago and is working with the Storm Skis brand also), Storm Skis has the terrain to test and verify ski performance. Storm is building up a line of perhaps 10 models of skis for official sale in the 2009-2010 season. The skis are made to Storm's specifications at one of the oldest wood-core ski factories in the Czech Republic.

Usage Class:


Big Mountain, positive-camber Powder Ski

Your Rating (with comments): (1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

8

Summary:

A lightweight, versatile, soft-snow ski with respectable control on groomed surfaces that's easy to turn in all conditions and speeds. Detuned and civilized version of the Stormforce Pro big ski. Crowd pleasing fat ski.

Technical Ski Data:

Beech-Poplar wood core
Triaxial and biaxial fiberglass
P-Tex 6000 base
"extra thick edges"
ABS Sidewalls
Sizes:
(125-100-120) 24m radius @ 183cm
Price ~ €550 (approximate...price not published yet)
Manufactured in the Czech Republic

Sales Channels:

Contact info@stormskis.com for direct-to-consumer sales and sales info.
Contact www.soundskis.co.uk for mail order sales through their Ebay webstore of some models. More retailers will be brought on-board for 2009-2010 season. Check their website for current listings.

Pre-Skiing Impression:

The Storm Devastator Pro is a fairly soft-flexing, compliant woodcore sandwich ski with nice dampening and a good fit and finish. The graphic design is cool, but the pre-production model tested was not as vivid as it should be for great "rack-appeal". Andy says they might have a more eye-catching intensity to the final production run of the Dev Pro. Torsionally compliant at the tip and tail, and firmer underfoot, so it should be easy to ski, but grip respectably when needed. Nice light weight. It makes me want to find powder. Unfortunately, we had no powder on our test day, so it was stuck on the groomers and rebaked mank along the sides of the groomers. Not ideal for powder ski testing, but I got a good idea of how it handles.

Test Conditions:

Dry to semi-softening packed groomers. Val-D'Isere, France. March 2009. No powder (bummer). See the photos for the "off-piste" conditions...not much.

Test Results:

The Devastator Pro is friendly. The first few turns told me the ski could be turned by anyone, and if you're looking for the big-drops and high-speed runouts, buy its stiffer brother, the Stormforce Pro. The Dev Pro is an easy-street big ski that is happy to drift at low to medium speeds, or be rolled up on edge to grip the groomers back to the lifts with confidence. I immediately thought this would be a good ski for someone who is not a hard-charging expert, but a soft-snow enthusiast who wants to enjoy the snow instead of getting a workout. Stand on it and relax. The Dev Pro is really quite easy to
turn quickly when needed, and never resists or balks. Never nervous, but perhaps a bit soft at high speeds if the surface is firm. This ski wants to be "in" snow, not "on" it. I was able to give it a pretty good evaluation on firm snow and found it to be carving on-demand if you need it. I can't honestly tell you how it behaves in powder snow or even deep junk snow, but I get the impression this is a ski that will yield a fun, easy ride without requiring intense piloting from the skier. I know it is not for high speed, deep snow arcing, but is probably more at home exploring the woods and fluffy hideaways or even a few centimeters of fresh snow at a resort. The Devastator Pro might have its name changed to just "Devastator" since the "pro" might scare people away who would otherwise find it a great buddy in the soft snow. I would put nearly anyone on this ski who wants a 100mm underfoot tool for
cruising the soft stuff, and yet have a confident hold on the groomed surfaces getting back to the lifts. "Recreational powder ski" is a term that kept coming into mind. Another crowd pleaser from Storm. I really want to try the Stormforce Pro now for a more rowdy ride.

How does it compare to the "Other" U.K. Big Mountain Powder Ski?

Storm Devastator Pro = (125-100-120) 24m radius @ 183cm
White Dot "The Preacher" = (155-112-133) 21m radius @ 189cm

People are going to want to know how it compares to the other U.K. powder ski from White Dot Freeride....so here you go... The White Dot "The Preacher" is stiffer and quicker, with a bit more pop and rebound, but it is more demanding than the Storm Devastator Pro which is somewhat softer and more damp. The Preacher is more authoritatively grippy on piste, and has a more precise and less relaxed feel to it than the Dev Pro. If I was coaching, teaching or guiding someone in good physical condition, I would choose the Preacher for them. If the person needed a more forgiving ski, I would pick the Dev Pro. The Preacher has the curvier sidecut geometry in a stiffer chassis. The Dev Pro has a straighter cut and larger natural turn radius, but in a softer chassis. Pick your ride.

Storm Devastator Pro
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Storm Skis
"Inferno Lab"
(116-65-101) 12.6m radius @ 165cm
2009-2010 Model



Storm Inferno Lab
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Manufacturer Info:


Storm Skis Ltd
18 Sanders Close
Shipley View
Ilkeston, Derbyshire DE7 9LN
UK
Tel: +44-07788-717055
http://www.stormskis.com



Sales Channels:

Contact info@stormskis.com for direct-to-consumer sales and sales info.
Contact www.soundskis.co.uk for mail order sales through their Ebay webstore of some models. More retailers will be brought on-board for 2009-2010 season. Check their website for current listings.


Background:

Storm Skis is one of two ski companies in the U.K. (both born last year, testing their skis this season for retail sales next year...both led by guys named Andrew...go figure..). Storm Skis is another tiny company founded by an ex pro skier (Andy David was British Freestyle mogul champion in 2002-2003 competing for 6 years in Europa and Continental Cup tours and specializes in big mountain freeriding) who wanted to make skis to his design and have his own ski business. With skiing and testing based primarily out of Verbier, Switzerland (Chris David - Andy's brother [Another British Europa/Continental Cup mogul pro] - helped make Altitude Snowsport School (http://www.altitude-extreme.co.uk) in Verbier a big success a while ago and is working with the Storm Skis brand also), Storm Skis has the terrain to test and verify ski performance. Storm is building up a line of perhaps 10 models of skis for official sale in the 2009-2010 season. The skis are made to Storm's specifications at one of the oldest wood-core ski factories in the Czech Republic.

Usage Class:

Race-carve, slalom-oriented frontside ski

Your Rating (with comments): (1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

8

Summary:

A grippy, muscular slalom race carver detuned from pure race-mode for civilian use on groomed surfaces. Capable of very quick edge-to-edge performance with easier turn initiation than many similar skis. Rewards a good technique, but could be just the ticket for advanced intermediate carvers looking for a ride to improve their game significantly. Great graphics, quick and secure. not for high speed crusing or soft snow. Accurate and tight.


Technical Ski Data:


Beech-Poplar wood core
Triaxial and biaxial fiberglass
Two Titanal sheets (one above and one below the core)
P-Tex 6000 base
"extra thick edges"
ABS Sidewalls
Sizes: 155cm (114-64-99) or 165 (116-65-101)
Price = €507
Manufactured in the Czech Republic

Pre-Skiing Impression:

The Inferno Lab is a modern, piste carving tool with a contemporary geometry, strong torsional integrity, snappy rebound and really attractive graphics. Build quality and finish are very good. Good flex distribution for a hardpack carver with a strong tail and responsive, but not overly-rowdy feel to it. It just looks like it would lay down serious tracks at high edge angles.

Test Conditions:

Dry to semi-softening packed groomers. Val-D'Isere, France. March 2009.

Test Results:

The first couple hundred yards of turns confirmed my suspicion that the Inferno Lab is indeed a carving machine to be reckoned with. Accurate and tenacious grip in short and medium radius turns without having to over-concentrate on the job at hand. It feels like a detuned race ski or a high-performance carver cross-bred with a slalom ski. My first impression after the few hundred yards of turns was that this was an ideal East-coast USA ski, or a ski for piste carving fanatics who like high-pressure turns without the intensity or demanding nature of a race ski. The Storm Inferno Lab rewards any level of athleticism you want to put into it, and it can take some serious pressure and angulation without any weakness. Extremely quick edge-to-edge without being reckless or troublesome like a pure race ski can sometimes be. You do not have to be in premier olympic condition to drive the Inferno. It is a recreational race-carver with plenty of friendly attitude, but enough grip and acceleration and zing to keep an ex-racer paying attention and grinning. Unlike many race-oriented skis, the Inferno Lab initiates turns easily, which will give it appeal to advancing intermediates looking for a ride into expert carving techniques. Mid-turn pressure requirements are not intensive, so you can maintain a railed turn without burning all your calories to hold your line. This ski does want you to finish your turns, so sloppy technique is rewarded with "whoa-pay-attention" feedback from the ski as it wants to return to the fall line if you don't keep your act together. This is also what makes the Storm Inferno a real carving machine to link your turns from release to re-initiation on the new edge line. Great fun and grippy. Secure and snappy without throwing you into the back seat all the time. Good mix of performance and compassion for high-performance carving enthusiasts. If your favorite runs are buffed firm and smooth, the Inferno is a great tool to lay down nicely shaped arcs. Naturally, the Inferno is not content to run flat or at higher speeds since it has the shape of a slalom carver and it wants to be on-edge one way or the other. A cruiser it is not. Your feet will keep busy managing the activity under your boots if you run them flat for too long or get lazy. This is a turning, carving machine for lots of people to have fun with. Great turns without race-level concentration. Choppy terrain will keep you busy on this ski, but it can slice-and-dice and set itself anywhere you want to put it quickly and accurately, which is nice when picking lines through some uneven terrain. Not happy off-piste, but then again, how many slalom-geometry, dual titanal layer woodcore race carvers are? Excellent carving instrument with very cool graphics and good quality. Check out a pair if you can. I only wish they made a slightly longer version (155 and 165cm only) !

Analogies: (this ski is like...)

A civilian, tight-turn street-racer with flame graphics and performance to back up its appearance.

Self-Description of Skiing Style, Ability, Experience, Preferences:

Expert groomed-surface carver, "old-style" race inspired, "foot steerer" with fairly sensitive edging feel who loves the feel of powder floating and banking. Loves to hold long arcs with lots of pressure on the downhill ski (you know the type), but also loves the feel of both skis on-edge leaving tiny railroad track edge tracks. Not an instructor, but 10 year coach for youth race team in New England (bulletproof is the norm).


Storm Inferno Lab Forebody
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Storm Inferno Lab
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Storm Skis
"Rage"

(118-84-107) 21.2m radius @ 174cm
2009-2010 pre-production candidate



A happy Andy David and his Storm Rage Skis at Val-D'Isere March 2009
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Manufacturer Info:


Storm Skis Ltd
18 Sanders Close
Shipley View
Ilkeston, Derbyshire DE7 9LN
UK

Tel: +44-07788-717055
http://www.stormskis.com


Background:


Storm Skis is one of two ski companies in the U.K. (both born last year, testing their skis this season for retail sales next year...both led by guys named Andrew...go figure..). Storm Skis is another tiny company founded by an ex pro skier (Andy David was British Freestyle mogul champion in 2002-2003 competing for 6 years in Europa and Continental Cup tours and specializes in big mountain freeriding) who wanted to make skis to his design and have his own ski business. With skiing and testing based primarily out of Verbier, Switzerland (Chris David - Andy's brother [Another British Europa/Continental Cup mogul pro] - helped make Altitude Snowsport School (http://www.altitude-extreme.co.uk) in Verbier a big success a while ago and is working with the Storm Skis brand also), Storm Skis has the terrain to test and verify ski performance. Storm is building up a line of perhaps 10 models of skis for official sale in the 2009-2010 season. The skis are made to Storm's specifications at one of the oldest wood-core ski factories in the Czech Republic.

Usage Class:

Park & Pipe / All Mountain Freestyle

Your Rating (with comments): (1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

7+


Summary:


A surprisingly versatile "Park & Pipe" ski capable of doing just about anything pretty well without any bad behaviors. This ski will probably make many skiers of many abilities happy. Not an outstanding state-of-the-art high-performance tool, but an all-around jacknife handy to have nearly anywhere on the hill. Click-in-and-go type of ski. Easy to ski, but responds to serious commands if you want to give them. Crowd pleaser.

Technical Ski Data:

Beech-Poplar wood core
Triaxial and biaxial fiberglass
P-Tex 6000 base
"extra thick edges"
ABS Sidewalls
Sizes:
(118-84-107) 21.2m radius @ 174cm
(118-84-107) 19.1m radius @ 166cm
Price ~ €450 (approximate...price not published yet)
Manufactured in the Czech Republic


Sales Channels:


Contact info@stormskis.com for direct-to-consumer sales and sales info.
Contact www.soundskis.co.uk for mail order sales through their Ebay webstore of some models. More retailers will be brought on-board for 2009-2010 season. Check their website for current listings.

Pre-Skiing Impression:

The Storm Rage is a well-balanced, well built woodcore sandwich "semi-twintip" freestyle ski with moderate (not explosive or wimpy) rebound, compliant torsional strength and a balanced dampening throughout its flex. Nice graphics. Geometry is not radical, but definitely biased more toward all-mountain skiing shape than perfectly-symetrical fore-and-aft design of some "P&P" skis.

Test Conditions:


Dry to semi-softening packed groomers. Val-D'Isere, France. March 2009. No aerials - just resort skiing...so someone else will have to report on the ski's performance in the park and pipe terrain.

Test Results:

Like they say on their promo material, the Rage is surprisingly versatile. Not just designed for park & pipe antics, the Rage can easily go just about anywhere on the mountain and never give you any problems at all. Spunky rebound when you want it off bits of terrain large and small, respectably carveable on-piste without too much effort, capable of round turns, j-turns, small, medium and even some larger radius turns. Not as stiff as some P&P skis, but not an ultra-softy either. Not really happy at GS-speeds, but controlled at higher speeds when mounted a bit back-of-center as these demos were. Quick edge-to-edge and in directional changes without needing an olympian's conditioning or reflexes. After a few runs, I got the feeling the Rage could make just about anyone happy on any part of the hill in most conditions that were not extreme to one end of the spectrum or another. A "populist" ski for sure. Very good manners, never any surprises (a good thing). The Rage always gives good feedback about when it is being pushed too hard on firm surfaces without suddenly giving up the ghost without warning. Gives a good feel for the snow underfoot and is happy on-edge or sliding sideways. Good balance of performance and comfort for doing just about anything. The Rage is not a hard-core "pure park" weapon, but more of an all-around ski with a yen to head to the park. "Playfun" is a word that comes to mind with this ski. The ski looks like it will hold up well under abuse (this pair had some miles on them) without needing to be a plank 2x4. The Storm Rage is the kind of ski you can get on and go without any learning curve. That sums it up pretty well. I think Storm has a market-pleaser here that will appeal to a wide range of skiers and conditions at a decent price. I think it will sell well to a wide audience.

How does it compare to the "Other" U.K. Park and Pipe Ski?

Storm Rage = (118-84-107) 21.2m radius @ 174cm
White Dot "The One" = (124-89-119) 18m radius @ 173cm

People are going to want to know how it compares to the other U.K. park & pipe ski from White Dot Freeride....so here you go... The White Dot "The One" is stiffer and quicker, with a bit more pop and rebound, but it is more demanding than the Storm Rage which is somewhat softer and more damp. I would rather take the Storm Rage into fresh snow than the White Dot "The One" , while "The One" is definitely a better hard-snow ski with more pop when needed. The One wants to carve and cut, while the Rage is happy to slide a bit, but have a little less authoritative grip on firm surfaces than The One. Basically, it's up to your own preference. Softer or stiffer. Quicker or more versatile. Choose your ride. That's the beauty of different brands aimed at the same market. You can pick the one most suitable for your day out.

Analogies: (this ski is like...)

A favorite pair of trainer athletic shoes you always grab for playing some ball with friends. Does anything you're likely to do on your day off for fun as long as it's not extreme (which would require a more specialized tool).

Self-Description of Skiing Style, Ability, Experience, Preferences:

Expert groomed-surface carver, "old-style" race inspired, "foot steerer" with fairly sensitive edging feel who loves the feel of powder floating and banking. Loves to hold long arcs with lots of pressure on the downhill ski (you know the type), but also loves the feel of both skis on-edge leaving tiny railroad track edge tracks. Not an instructor, but 10 year coach for youth race team in New England (bulletproof is the norm).


Storm Rage
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New Skis Lust ...ISPO 2009
Started by User in Ski Hardware, 28 Replies
We've done a bunch of laps with the Palmer skis...Good stuff. The P02 carver is a Kessler licensed to Head for production under the Palmer brand name. Excellent carving tool.
See a review over at:

http://www.exoticskis.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79


Whitedot Freeride
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 46 Replies
Here is my quick review with some pics of the park & pipe twintip from the White Dot guys...


White Dot Freeride
"The One" Twintip

(124-89-119) 19m radius @ 180cm
2009-2010 production candidate



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Manufacturer Info:

White Dot Freeride
41 Cottingley Rd, Sandy Lane, West Yorkshire, BD15 9JN, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 7971 471306
http://www.whitedotfreeride.com

Background:


White Dot Freeride is one of two ski companies in the U.K. (both born last year, testing their skis this season for retail sales next year...both led by guys named Andrew...go figure..). White Dot is a small company with only a few guys who want to make only three (maybe four) models of different skis, but make them well. They designed all their own skis, specified their own construction and materials and decided to outsource construction to another country in Europe to conserve cash right now and concentrate on R&D to get the first skis the way they want them. I tried their park & pipe ski ("The One") and their cambered powder ski ("The Preacher"). They were still tweaking the rocker and stiffness specs as of January, 2009 so I could not try their "Redeemer" rockered pow ski, but they said their final pre-production version should be ready by the end of February (maybe..)..I'll let you know as soon as I can get on a pair. Anyway...nice guys making some good skis at a decent price. Plus, they have dots...lots of dots...

Usage Class:

Park & Pipe / All Mountain Twintip

Your Rating (with comments): (1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

8

Summary:

A solid, excellent quality P&P twintip ski with plenty of zing, very good edge grip and manouverability. Not as burly as, let's say a Lib-Tech NAS P&P, but more accurate with more precision feel. Not as soft as a Palmer P01, but stronger. Very versatile. Great color. This one will sell a ton once people try it. Mount it slightly rear of center "freestyle" for an all-mountain frontside ski capable of any rowdy tricks you might want, or mount it on the center pivot point for terrain and park navigation. Not for heavyweights, muscleheads, high-speed or whimpy skiers...hits the majority of users for this category right on, I think.

Technical Ski Data:

- TRUE TWIN -
BASE: ISO highspeed, Graphite infused die cut
DIMS: 124/89/119
LENGTHS: 166,173,180
RADIUS: 16, 18, 19
EFFECTIVE EDGE: 146, 152, 158
TIP/TAIL LENGTHS: 175,175
EDGE ANGLE: 1=3
CORE: Okume, Poplar Laminate
SIDEWALL: ABS EDGES: 2mm steel, 360 degree
CAMBER: 12mm
TOPSHEET: Screen Printed Nylon
CONSTRUCTION: Graphite infused ISO Highspeed
base/2mm edge/Okume poplar core/Carbon Fibre,
Kevlar Weave/Nylon Topsheet
Price: €460


Pre-Skiing Impression:


Excellent resurrection of orange topsheet color. Excellent quality of fit-and-finish. Snappy rebound, decent dampening, torsionally strong with smooth flex, no "hot spots", but decently strong body. Really attractive price of €460.

Test Conditions:

Cold, dry, powder snow 1 day old, boot-deep powder, tracked-out boot-deep powder and nicely packed groomers with small bumps on the sides if you look for them. Les Grand Montets - Chamonix, France. January 2009.

Test Results:

I skied these after riding powder boards all morning and found them to have very quick response at the helm without being squirrely. Very quick edge to edge, grippy anywhere along their length, capable of quick cuts, sustained edging, pops, changes of direction and bumps just right. Mounted on freestyle-center, they got "interesting" and "self-directional" at GS-like speeds if ridden too flat for too long (not a good idea on centermount P&P skis anyway...but I had to try it to see when they would get wandery). I could dash in and out of cut up powder on the edges of the groomers, in and out of the bumps (they want to give you instant feedback in the bumps...not a bad thing...just be alert...they are lively..just the way you want them to be), make direction changes on-demand in the blink of an eye, and if you load them up, they spring with plenty of control and land quietly and stay where you plant them. Comparing these to the Lib-Tech NAS P&P we tested before, this ski is more precise, and not as burly or demanding. It you are muscular and need a heavy-timber weapon, you might overski the "The One". If you are looking for a softie twintip, "The One" will probably make you pay attention too much because it wants to cut, carve and pop...not lounge-around. If you're not at the extreme "muscle-head" nor "floppy-ski" end of the spectrum, "The One" will probably do a great job for you. Demo a pair and make your own decision. The build quality appears to be above-average, and the materials look very solid, so I think they will hold up well. I think park & pipe freaks will find them really fun (I am NOT a terrain park guy...have someone else review their aerial prowess...) and responsive, and definitely eye-catching in orange with white dots. I also think this would be a great teen-twenty-something all-mountain frontside ski if mounted just behind the freestyle centerpoint to give it some stability at higher speeds. "The One" will suit lots of skiers looking for a responsive, well-built twintip freestyle ski that can cut up the hill nicely. And, you can give your cash to a small ski company instead of one with huge corporate overhead and attitude. "The One" is priced for the people - and that's a nice thing to see.

Analogies: (this ski is like...)

A Cooper Mini "Turbo S Clubman". Quick, nimble, sporty and hip, but still ample enough to do some errands around town when you want some time off from driving intensely. Enthusiast drivers can get it to do some great gymnastics with ease, while more casual sport drivers can take it all over the place and still keep a wide grin. Cool and very responsive.

Self-Description of Skiing Style, Ability, Experience, Preferences:

Expert groomed-surface carver, "old-style" race inspired, "foot steerer" with fairly sensitive edging feel who loves the feel of powder floating and banking. Loves to hold long arcs with lots of pressure on the downhill ski (you know the type), but also loves the feel of both skis on-edge leaving tiny railroad track edge tracks. Not an instructor, but 10 year coach for youth race team in New England (bulletproof is the norm).

Photos:


"The One"
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"The One" tips
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Whitedot Freeride
Started by User in Ski Chatter, 46 Replies
Andrew and the guys at White Dot invited me to try "The One" and "Preacher" during a photoshoot day back in January for the new brochures...here is my take on the "Preacher":




White Dot Freeride
The Preacher

(155-112-133) 21m radius @ 189cm
2009-2010 pre-production candidate



Preacher Front View
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Manufacturer Info:

White Dot Freeride
WhiteDot Freeride, 41 Cottingley Rd, Sandy Lane, West Yorkshire, BD15 9JN, UK
Tel: +44 (0) 7971 471306
http://www.whitedotfreeride.com


Background:

White Dot Freeride is one of two ski companies in the U.K. (both born last year, testing their skis this season for retail sales next year...both led by guys named Andrew...go figure..). White Dot is a small company with only a few guys who want to make only three (maybe four) models of different skis, but make them well. They designed all their own skis, specified their own construction and materials and decided to outsource construction to another country in Europe to conserve cash right now and concentrate on R&D to get the first skis the way they want them. I tried their park & pipe ski (The One) and their cambered powder ski (The Preacher). They were still tweaking the rocker and stiffness specs as of January, 2009 so I could not try their Redeemer rockered pow ski, but they said their final pre-production version should be ready by the end of February (maybe..)..I'll let you know as soon as I can get on a pair. Anyway...nice guys making some good skis at a decent price. Plus, they have dots...lots of dots...

Usage Class:

All-mountain positive camber powder ski

Your Rating (with comments): (1=get me off these things->10=I have to own a pair)

9

Summary:

A spot-on widebody ski of very nice quality that goes anywhere on the mountain with grace and confidence. Carves surprisingly solid, grippy turns on the groomers back to the lifts and handles like a dream in the soft snow. Not a super-softie or a stiffy hard-charger, but perfect for just about anyone on any surface or terrain where a wide ski is the ticket. A crowd pleaser that will probably be the bread-and-butter ski for White Dot Freeride since nearly everyone will like it for nearly any freeriding. Nice.

Technical Ski Data:

- SEMI TWIN -
BASE: ISO highspeed, Graphite infused die cut
DIMS: 155/112/133
LENGTHS: 169,179,189
RADIUS: 17, 19, 21
EFFECTIVE EDGE: 149, 158, 166
TIP/TAIL LENGTHS: 195,120
EDGE ANGLE: 1=3
CORE: Okume, Poplar Laminate
SIDEWALL: ABS
EDGES: 2mm steel, 360 degree
CAMBER: 5mm
TOPSHEET: Screen Printed Nylon
CONSTRUCTION: Graphite infused ISO Highspeed
base/2mm edge/Okume poplar core/Carbon Fibre,
Kevlar Weave/Nylon Topsheet
Price = €555

Pre-Skiing Impression:

The white dots on green background grew on me after a minute. Even better against a snowy white background. Very nicely constructed and finished powder ski with balanced flex, good torsional rigidity where it counts, and nicely dampened. I got the impression this ski would be good for nearly any terrain we could find. Excellent quality of fit-and-finish. Really attractive price of €555.

Test Conditions:

Cold, dry, powder snow 1 day old, boot-deep powder, tracked-out boot-deep powder and packed groomers. Les Grand Montets - Chamonix, France. January 2009.

Test Results:

I tested these skis after getting off the Icelantic Shaman and Icelantic Nomad earlier in the day in the same terrain, with the Shaman being closest in width to the Preacher, so I will mention the differences a bit as I go along. The Preacher was instantly skiable without any learning curve. This pair, being a final pre-production model (serial 000-000-001-09 or something like that), was mounted a teeny bit forward of the final recommended mark according to Andrew Phyn of White Dot, but it really didn't feel funky at all to me. I could get right on this ski and point it at cut up crud, fluffy untouched powder, groomers and crossovers and bumps without any hesitation.

Slow turns were easy, faster turns were stable and predictable, and traversing across surface types was a breeze. The Preacher loved powder and was silky and responsive as you would ever want. You could adjust your depth in the soft stuff at will, and adjust turn radii with no effort at all, point them where you want them to go...they go. Quick turns and carving grip on the hardpack was impressive for a ski with 150mm tip and 112mm underfoot. I found the White Dot Preacher much more grippy and carvable on the hardpack than the Icelantic Shaman (which people generally think is great on the groomers for a widebody). Maybe that's because the Preacher was brand-new and the pair of Shamans had some miles on them, but the responsive control on hard surfaces was distinctively more impressive with the Preacher. Big grins from me on this category.

Andrew said their graphite-infused base is ultra durable, and after catching some Chamonix rock outcrops lurking just under the powder surface a few times on my runs (sorry Andrew...I tried to be careful), my inspection of the skis showed they held up great. No deep tears as I might have expected, just shallow dents, which means the edges might live a little longer and avoid getting pulled out as often as they do on softer-base skis. While the Icelantic Shaman wanted to be skied all up front and showed a tendency to hook you quickly into directional changes (an excellent behavior in tight trees if you want that kind of turn...lots of people like the Shaman for tight trees because of this behavior), the Preacher was rounder, smoother, and somewhat stronger feeling because you feel the whole length of the ski working its turn rather than just the forebody. Compared to the Icelantic Nomad, the Preacher is stronger, more stable and more speed-freindly, while the Nomad is more playful in short-turn situations and bumpy terrain. I really liked the way the Preacher smoothly navigated the terrain and never had a mind of its own. Sometimes the Shaman wants to grab the terrain and turn for you, while the Preacher cruises on command and never deviates from what you tell it to do. No surprises, only great manners.

Since it's not a stiff, cliff-hucking, mach-schnell, hard-charging ski, you can get get the Preacher to flap a little through the cut up crud if you get ripping at hyperspeeds, but it's not meant for hard-charging (White Dot is considering making a limited edition hard-charger version if people really want one). The Preacher is the big-mountain, all terrain ride for all day long. Nice, and right-on-target for the market segment they aimed for. They have a winner. And the price is right.

Analogies: (this ski is like...)

A good bottle of young red Burgundy. Graceful enough to go with just about anything you want to do in soft snow anywhere on the mountain, robust enough to carve confidently on harder terrain when necessary, pleasing, fun and versatile with a definite sophistication and subtle undercurrent of quality. Not a bruising, muscular, big-mountain freight train requiring concentration, stamina and obliteration of all senses of precision, but something you'd reach for over and over every day on snow because it just goes with everything so well. The more you enjoy it, the less you'll want something else. (sorry, I've been living in Bourgogne, France for a while, and I'm starting to think of EVERYTHING in terms of wines now...)

Photos:

I was lucky enough to get invited to try the White Dot Freeride skis during their photoshoot at Chamonix for next year's catalog and brochures. Their pro athlete Justin Hawxhurst was SpeedFlying (paraskiing) and I got to capture a little handicam video of him flying. Fun stuff. Andrew sent me some low-res pictures from his photoshoot you can see below (stamped with names).

YouTube Video:
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The Preacher at rest.
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Preachers on edge
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Preacher Side View
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Preacher Tails
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Preacher Tips
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