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<description> Having been on the piste for more years than i can remember,it is&lt;br /&gt; becoming more apparent that the piste is getting trashed that much quicker in the following circumstances&lt;br /&gt; 1. After a fresh dusting.&lt;br /&gt; 2. On lower slopes,particuarly south facing&lt;br /&gt; 3. Spring skiing in the afternoon.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The above are all due to the technique that the majority of snowboarders use to bluff ther way down the piste.This is &lt;br /&gt; getting to be far more of a problem  due to the  number of (apprentice)boarders who during there early outings on boards&quot;are going down runs that are beyond their capability leaning back and scraping 1 metre wide sections of snow up in the air which when snow is thin on the ground is of no benefit to anyone.With boards getting even longer this can only create more problems for Lift Management Companies and Skiers &amp; Boarders who can ride without scraping.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; And as for boarding after you're 30, forget it .</description>
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<description> Just go where they don't/won't, and the problem is diminished  :D </description>
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<description> Out of interest does anybody think that in the future at some point resorts will start tailoring different slopes specifically towards boarders or skiers? I don't mean in order to segregate or ban one from the other, more to cater for preference. For example, I can't imagine a mogulled slope is particularly easy or enjoyable on a board. At least on skis we have the opportunity to do short turns which suit the terrain better.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; So, if skiing didn't exist and boarders could start from scratch and write a wish list of what they wanted from a slope, how different would it be from the pistes we know already? There must have been a time when someone said &quot;I'm sick of looking for little jumps here and there, what I really want is a really long, steep thing I can do loads of jumps on one after the other&quot; and the half pipe was born.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Am I talking complete nonsense (probably) or is there a tiny nugget of an idea in there somewhere?</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:55:48 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> I think that's a terrible attitude to have. especially with your countless years of experience.&lt;br /&gt; ive seen beginner skiers snow ploughing their way down slopes clearing what little snow there is off an icy piste. fact is we all have to start somewhere and im sure even an expert like yourself took on a piste which was above you skill level at some point. why not just be tolerant of all people using the mountain then we can all have fun.</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:08:34 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Oh Dear, in the words of the famous song - There may be trouble ahead! I,m a skier, but no on both counts.</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:19:15 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> I agree with you ewan, and on the point of older people snowboarding, due to a knee injury I will never be able to get on a pair of skis, but I am able to snowboard quite well, so I intend to be snowboarding for many more years to come. There are plenty of people now, and more every year that are over 30 and snowboard.  </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:22:38 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> &quot;And as for boarding after you're 30, forget it &quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I'm 48, learned to board 5 years ago.  Skied all my life.   Not uncommon for storms to bring in 25-100 cms of snow overnight.  On days like that, SB is definitely the way to go. As for not wanting to share the mountain with boarders, better get over that. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;   </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:23:31 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;paulschlote wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Having been on the piste for more years than i can remember,it is&lt;br /&gt; becoming more apparent that the piste is getting trashed that much quicker in the following circumstances&lt;br /&gt; 1. After a fresh dusting.&lt;br /&gt; 2. On lower slopes,particuarly south facing&lt;br /&gt; 3. Spring skiing in the afternoon.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The above are all due to the technique that the majority of snowboarders use to bluff ther way down the piste.This is &lt;br /&gt; getting to be far more of a problem  due to the  number of (apprentice)boarders who during there early outings on boards&quot;are going down runs that are beyond their capability leaning back and scraping 1 metre wide sections of snow up in the air which when snow is thin on the ground is of no benefit to anyone.With boards getting even longer this can only create more problems for Lift Management Companies and Skiers &amp; Boarders who can ride without scraping.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; And as for boarding after you're 30, forget it .&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Are you trolling to wind people up? This is the kind of ill informed misconception that used abound years ago.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; You forget that until recently 99% of skiers could not carve turns, and were able to totally ruin any soft nicely groomed piste into moguls in no time at all, by skidding their skis from side to side, instead of making real turns.. It's not so bad now that skis are shaped like &lt;b&gt;snowboards&lt;/b&gt;, and skiers are able to make real turns. For every beginner snowboarder carefully using their edges to control their descent, there is an out of control skier, who has no idea how to use their edges, other than snow plough. If you are really concerned about snow being scrapped off, ban beginner skiers, and all those skiers with their legs stuck together.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Beginner snowboarders don't use long boards. It's really is sad, that after all those years &quot;on the piste&quot;, you know so little about snow sports. The piste bashers were pushing snow back up the hill at the end of the day, long before snowboarding took off&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; And over 30  :roll: I'm over 50 in this photo&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;img src=&quot;http://i52.tinypic.com/aczl0g.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; class=&quot;mpimg&quot; /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 00:34:54 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> I thought the boarder issues had faded away as the sport (and a lot boarders) matured. Certainly you see fewer boarders sitting mid piste than you used too.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; As has already been said there will always be both skiiers &amp; boarders who get themselves onto a piste that stretches their comfort limits and they perhaps have to revert to basics. I think that's good - pushing your limits but recognising that sometimes safety is better than style!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Certainly pistes take a fair degree of wear but isn't that why we pay big fees for ski passes? (snow making &amp; piste bashers)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Pick your resort carefully &amp; holiday times &amp; you can have the pistes to yourself (almost).</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:23:20 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Do you think that it is possible that the pistes are getting trashed more due to the increased numbers of snow users in recent years?</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:44:17 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;surfarthur wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Do you think that it is possible that the pistes are getting trashed more due to the increased numbers of snow users in recent years?&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I wondered that too.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:27:41 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> What a load of tripe the alps are big enough for all of us, boarding came on to the scene when popularity of skiing was beginning to dwindle and boarding brought in a new influx of young people to appreciate the snow and mountains.&lt;br /&gt; Should it be banned No and for it being just for the youth, I think trencher answers that question  :lol: </description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:19:23 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Paulschlote, I apologize for the &quot;back at you&quot; rant above. There are still a few ski only resorts in the US. I actually love going to Deer Valley occasionally. One of it's atractions for me is not that there are no snowboarders, but there are fewer adolescents period. Nothing against youth, just nice now, and again to enjoy a more sedate atmosphere. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; You may not know this, but there are as many kids in the terrain park, and half pipe on skis now, as on boards. So Deer Valley is not attractive to youth &quot;period&quot;, not just because they don't allow snowboards, but because they don't have the terrain kids want. The three remaining ski only resorts are all close to other resorts that allow snowboarding. This means that the children of their guest can be bussed to a snowboard resort nearby. Taos resort recently stopped being ski only, but it did not have a nearby resort for members of families that snowboard, or like to ski in the park. Economically, ski only resorts are only viable if there is an adjacent snowboarding resort. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; As others have said, if it weren't for snowboards, you would be paying a lot more, to ski fewer resorts, on long skinny skis  :wink: </description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:13:18 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Why are people bothering to respond? Its obvious this is a troll looking to get a reaction.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The funny thing is, he has actually has a point.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<description> Thanks for your response to my Question posted last night. As some of you have gathered it was to create a debate and not have a pop at boarders. I agree that boarders have given the mountains a fresh/new lease of life and i do enjoy checking out the &quot;Good Boarders&quot; who can ride the half pipes and do the kind of tricks you normaly only see on the Extreme sport channel. I think we would all agree that there is nothing more annoying than a group of hoody boarders sitting in the middle of the piste just below a flat section of piste just chillin out oblivious to what might be approaching rather quicly from behind (and i don't mean Graham Norton)</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:31:08 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> i think this thread needs closing</description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;paulschlote wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;I think we would all agree that there is nothing more annoying than a group of hoody boarders sitting in the middle of the piste just below a flat section of piste just chillin out oblivious to what might be approaching rather quicly from behind &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;As annoying as that can be, its nothing compared to getting up and finding they've closed the lifts due to high wind, or to your luggage not getting loaded onto the flight at Gatwick. Actually.</description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;paulschlote wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;I think we would all agree that there is nothing more annoying than a group of hoody boarders sitting in the middle of the piste just below a flat section of piste just chillin out oblivious to what might be approaching rather quicly from behind &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Not on the neighbourhood watch committee by any chance?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;iframe width=&quot;420&quot; height=&quot;315&quot; src=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/embed/kzTLidmYM2Y&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:48:19 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> boarding gave skiing the kick up the arse it needed, stepping away from this posh toff elitist scene it was (and in some resorts still is), skiing knew it had to catch up when boarding took over, massive improvements in ski technology, and even fashion has probably brought skiing back to the same level as boarding is currently, as regards to the condition of the piste's being worse, i would put that down to them being a lot more busy these days, some resorts are not boarder friendly, especially resorts in andorra, with endless flat sections between pistes, i think the opinion of the poster is outdated and frankly shows their age!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; im a skier by the way...</description>
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			&lt;div&gt;some resorts are not boarder friendly... with endless flat sections between pistes&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Aha! Item one on the boarder wishlist :D  1) No flat bits&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Good one. I've often seen boarders struggling and offered my pole to pull them along. Sometimes they understand and grab on, sometimes they look at me like a crazy person who's trying to stab them.  :) </description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;freehandjunkie wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;boarding gave skiing the kick up the arse it needed, stepping away from this posh toff elitist scene it was &lt;/div&gt;
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<description> As a skier of twenty years, I decided to give snowboarding a try (perhaps don't knock it until you've tried it would be an appropriate motto here) and loved it. &lt;br /&gt; It has its limitations, only being able to have one binding fastened on lifts and having to sit in some afore mentioned less than favourable spots to get going again. Though these can be kept to a minimum very easily and the rate of learning is considerably faster than skiing.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Lets face it, skiing has its own drawbacks too, I don't recall watching any snowboarder slip on a wet mountain restaurant floor and end up covered in soup last year.... lucky skier!!</description>
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<description> Oh and the youth point... my partner is 46 and having tried skiing first aged 42, she decided that a board was the way forward!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Youth!!</description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;Trencher wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Are you trolling to wind people up? This is the kind of ill informed misconception that used abound years ago.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; You forget that until recently 99% of skiers could not carve turns, and were able to totally ruin any soft nicely groomed piste into moguls in no time at all, by skidding their skis from side to side, instead of making real turns.. It's not so bad now that skis are shaped like &lt;b&gt;snowboards&lt;/b&gt;, and skiers are able to make real turns. For every beginner snowboarder carefully using their edges to control their descent, there is an out of control skier, who has no idea how to use their edges, other than snow plough. If you are really concerned about snow being scrapped off, ban beginner skiers, and all those skiers with their legs stuck together.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Beginner snowboarders don't use long boards. It's really is sad, that after all those years &quot;on the piste&quot;, you know so little about snow sports. The piste bashers were pushing snow back up the hill at the end of the day, long before snowboarding took off&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; And over 30  :roll: I'm over 50 in this photo&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;img src=&quot;http://i52.tinypic.com/aczl0g.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; class=&quot;mpimg&quot; /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Crikey...It's not only their boards scraping the snow off the mountain it's their hands as well!!! &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Perhaps there should be 'boarder arm length' limitations in force too!  :roll: :wink: </description>
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<description> The bite brigade continue to post, That's what's great about open discussion and democracy  :D :thumbup:</description>
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<description>  :mrgreen:  :lol: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Plenty of them about on here matey.</description>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Have you had a chence to vote yet Tony On the Great britain Winter olympics   :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:. Not sure who posted that hair brain idea !!!</description>
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<description> Haven't seen that...????</description>
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			&lt;div&gt;some resorts are not boarder friendly... with endless flat sections between pistes&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Aha! Item one on the boarder wishlist :D  1) No flat bits&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Good one. I've often seen boarders struggling and offered my pole to pull them along. Sometimes they understand and grab on, sometimes they look at me like a crazy person who's trying to stab them.  :) &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; yeah i have done that to, it tends to be the pretty lady boarders i will try and help though! yes i am shallow! it worked 2 or 3 times! try it!</description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;freehandjunkie wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;boarding gave skiing the kick up the arse it needed, stepping away from this posh toff elitist scene it was &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;GPWM&lt;/div&gt;
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				&lt;cite&gt;freehandjunkie wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;boarding gave skiing the kick up the arse it needed, stepping away from this posh toff elitist scene it was &lt;/div&gt;
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; good point well made???? hope thats what it means!&lt;/div&gt;
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<description> Each day my body gets older I thank Snowboarding for making skiing so much better and easier.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; And reminds me to wear my helmet........&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Gosh,  did I say that??  :shock: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Where SB ends and Skiing begins (based on your perspective) is getting blurred.....&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Have any of you guys tried the Lib Tech NAS skis?  They showed up an a few Patrollers and some locals in the back-country last season.  NAS stands for &quot;&lt;b&gt;Narrow Ass Snowboard&lt;/b&gt;&quot;.  Not only are they really really wide, but have a &quot;wavey&quot;  almost serrated edge.   I know two guys to took the plunge and bought some last year, pretty much the perfect all-mountain ski (from a snowboard company no-less), cause they rock in POW and hold an edge really nice on ice and crud. We can only buy them here in high-end snowboard shops.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lib-tech.com/nas/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lib-tech.com/nas/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<description> I don't know anyone with Lib-Tech gear, but there is likely to be a couple of guys on Icelantic Nomads around when I ski in January. Same or different?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://icelanticboards.com/skis/nomad/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://icelanticboards.com/skis/nomad/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I'll be taking my helmet  :D </description>
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<description> The reason I got off topic in this thread is the Lip Tech ski is made by a well know snowboard company, found in snowboard shops using mostly snowboard technology.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The Lip Tech boards have a &quot;wavy edge&quot;, so do the skis.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.exoticskis.com/exoticskis/Images/skis/LibTech/LibTechPPsidewall.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; class=&quot;mpimg&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; So while the Icelantic skis look awesome, and I would personally love to try some.  it's not really the same.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Hopefully, we've blown away the guy's original argument that boarders have no place on a mountain with skiers.  We're all there to slide.  We do it in are own way.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; IF we ant to start a discussion on what should not be on a piste run at a resort, it's those ridicules &lt;a href=&quot;//www.google.com/search?q=snowblades&quot;&gt;snowblades&lt;/a&gt;.   And I'm talking from a control and rate injury perspective.  I'm sure they are lots of fun.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; But that's another thread......  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<description> My god, that wavy edge is really pronounced. I'd expected just slight curves  :shock: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Thinks*** they are not going to fit in a ski shop planer!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; If you get to demo some, please report back on what you think!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Hmmm snowblades  :mrgreen:  :lol: </description>
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<description> One of the Patrollers I work with has a pair, he swears by them.  They are as wide as a backcountry ski, he claims that the edges hold on the iciest runs.   You have to be willing to tune them by hand,  but we all do that, right?  Also they are not cheap, under $1000 cdn would be a really good deal.  But they are made in USA, so probably cheaper there.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<description> From what I understand Magna Traction was really designed for park rats who wreck their edges on slides, but still need to be able to carve. Real carvers who have tried it say it doesn't compare to a well tuned edge, for edge hold, but is better than blunt, mangled edges. So I guess if you never tune your skis, it might be for you.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; More useful recent tech from snowboards would be klothoid side cut radius shapes, and compound cambers. The next generation of riser plates will blow your mind, again snowboard tech.</description>
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<description> I have to admit I had to ask my kids what some of that meant.   Point well taken though!  Technology of Skiing has in increased leaps and bounds because because skiing had stagnated in the 80's and 90's.   I have to wonder if I was still skiing on 203cm straight skis if I'd even be doing it today?  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Wonder if Paulschlote is still reading this tread,  Paul, you there?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;  </description>
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<description> I don't know that the OP was necessarily trolling. I am not sure about the reasons he sighted, but I have had similar conversations with my group of ski buddies. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; We seek out 2 things, moguls &amp; powder. Boarders don't have any negative effect on powder (more than skiers anyway), but on the moguls, they commonly shave them off, into odd patterns. The somewhat standard mogul is no more. It is just the way it is these days, but kind of sad for us skiers also.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The other thing I will say is that, &lt;u&gt;in general&lt;/u&gt;, snow boarders are a MUCH more foul mouthed group. Getting back into skiing in 2008, it is common to hear kids loudly saying &quot;f***&quot; this or that. It is almost always a group of snowboarders. It doesn't necessarily bother me a lot but there are commonly kids around as well as older people that don't need to hear their lack of an intelligent vocabulary. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Brad</description>
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<description> Disrespect is never alright!  I'd would like to disagree with you because I snowboard myself as do my kids, however,  I think I have to agree with you, that group seems to be guilty of that more than others.  But, just playing both sides of the argument, &quot;Park brats&quot; of either sliding persuasion seem to have no problem with &lt;i&gt;&quot;f***&quot; this or that.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;.  Also, as snowboarding matures, it moves further away from the &quot;skater culture' more towards mainstream.  </description>
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<description> Again it's an age thing, as Dave said. Teenagers on boards, and skis have this tendency to be obnoxious. The older you get, the worse it seems. It's just a reflection of the larger world, and nothing really to do with what's on their feet. I actually see a lot more well behaved kids than not, so it's a pretty minor deal in the overall scheme of things.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<description> I have to disagree with Brad that its boarders and not skiers who use more &quot;industrial&quot; language, certainly in Europe anyway. However, maybe the connection is made because boarding is definitely something younger people do compared to skiing, and younger people these days do tend to be more lax with their language. &lt;br /&gt; You'll also find the scene that goes with freestyle skiing is very similar to boarding, and there is a language of its own connected with both, much of which involves what you would call &quot;swear words&quot;.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I can't obviously speak for America, but having got to know a few of my son's American friends, the use of the F word is much more widespread in America than over here, and probably not even regarded as &quot;swearing&quot; any more?</description>
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<description> I think that sort of language is in common everyday use, just walk through a shopping mall on a Saturday, when you have your own kid in tow it can be a disgrace.</description>
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<description> Hi, No boarding shouldn't be banned - Skiiers and boarders seem to be getting used to sharing the slopes now to me and don't keep boarding for the young either. What better than to do both - board on powder and also board when too slushy to ski - great fun. I'm in my 50s and enjoying boarding more than skiing when conditions suit (Skiis best when icy though). </description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;Jennifer wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Hi, No boarding shouldn't be banned - Skiiers and boarders seem to be getting used to sharing the slopes now to me and don't keep boarding for the young either. What better than to do both - board on powder and also board when too slushy to ski - great fun. I'm in my 50s and enjoying boarding more than skiing when conditions suit (Skiis best when icy though). &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; A woman after my own heart. You need an alpine snowboard for when it's icy, but I know what you mean. It's great to be able to pick the tool for the job, and never get bored. </description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;Jennifer wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Hi, No boarding shouldn't be banned - Skiiers and boarders seem to be getting used to sharing the slopes now to me and don't keep boarding for the young either. What better than to do both - board on powder and also board when too slushy to ski - great fun. I'm in my 50s and enjoying boarding more than skiing when conditions suit (Skiis best when icy though). &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; From another 'in her fifties' (but not a boarder) I think the words I want are RESPECT  and   WICKED  :D</description>
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<description> In relation to &quot;industrial language&quot; I find the worst offenders to be professional drivers who pass themselves off as skiers.  These individuals also bring the new phenomenon to our resorts known as &quot;piste rage&quot; They are easily identified as they are often seen drinking and hanging around in groups on piste with bobble hats on.  If you are unfortunate enough to see them call Crimestoppers immediately. :lol: :lol:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Morning Peps   </description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;AlistairS wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;In relation to &quot;industrial language&quot; I find the worst offenders to be professional drivers who pass themselves off as skiers. They are easily identified as they are often seen drinking and hanging around in groups on piste with bobble hats on.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The so-called &quot;mature&quot; ones are by far the worst too. It would seem that age turns them into Victor Meldrew type characters  :P &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<description> Oh Yes for sure Bandit :lol:</description>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Where did that come from all of a sudden? </description>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; EFA  8) </description>
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<description> Please accept my public apology, i am not in the business of causing offence, upset or hurt in anyway but may have pushed the envelope to far this time. It was, what I thought, light hearted tongue in cheek banter and I thought it would be taken as such. I always try to keep myself cheerful and look at the lighter side of life and if I have caused offence or hurt then this has hurt me!&lt;br /&gt; Sorry.&lt;br /&gt; Alistair</description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;AlistairS wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;In relation to &quot;industrial language&quot; I find the worst offenders to be professional drivers who pass themselves off as skiers.  These individuals also bring the new phenomenon to our resorts known as &quot;piste rage&quot; They are easily identified as they are often seen drinking and hanging around in groups on piste with bobble hats on.  If you are unfortunate enough to see them call Crimestoppers immediately. :lol: :lol:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Morning Peps   &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Where did that come from all of a sudden? &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Aww bless, I don't think it was meant offensively at all. I thought it was pretty funny. Maybe we should have an amnesty on bobble related jokes for a spell, just to give you a chance to recover Tony. You have taken a hammering over the last week  8) </description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;EmmaEvs wrote:&lt;/cite&gt; You have taken a hammering over the last week  8) &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;......and all because I commit the sin of wearing a hat and not a lid.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<description> Yep. It would be really stupid teasing someone for wearing a bobble if they didn't. Same as it wouldn't be funny posting a pic of someone in a 'dork' helmet and calling them window lickers if nobody wore helmets.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Simples.</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:46:40 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;AlistairS wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Please accept my public apology, i am not in the business of causing offence, upset or hurt in anyway but may have pushed the envelope to far this time. It was, what I thought, light hearted tongue in cheek banter and I thought it would be taken as such. I always try to keep myself cheerful and look at the lighter side of life and if I have caused offence or hurt then this has hurt me!&lt;br /&gt; Sorry.&lt;br /&gt; Alistair&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I have been crying since Saturday, I'm very upset, people might think that us all in one fashion icons are very thick skinned, but underneath we are soft just like my tummy, now where are those tissues I'm welling up again  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:12:16 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;EmmaEvs wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Yep. It would be really stupid teasing someone for wearing a bobble if they didn't. Same as it wouldn't be funny posting a pic of someone in a 'dork' helmet and calling them window lickers if nobody wore helmets.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Simples.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; GPWM</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:22:28 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;EmmaEvs wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Yep. It would be really stupid teasing someone for wearing a bobble if they didn't. Same as it wouldn't be funny posting a pic of someone in a 'dork' helmet and calling them window lickers if nobody wore helmets.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Simples.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Perhaps we should get back to the actual discussion that this thread was covering, which before the personal attack, was covering the issue of swear words.....</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:52:51 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Come on guys, smile its snowing everywhere  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:44:03 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Post a pic of you in your romper then. That'll get everyone back on track  :D &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; And we'll know if you download one off google  :thumbup: </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:56:35 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> There's one up on his facebook page. Although I am not ENTIRELY convinced it's good old Wickers himself   ) </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:02:23 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> I have now taken the bobbles off of all 14 of my hats!  :cry: :cry: :cry:</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:23:18 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;snowb4ndit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;I have now taken the bobbles off of all 14 of my hats!  :cry: :cry: :cry:&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Perhaps you can attach one of them to your helmet?  :D </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:37:51 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;snowb4ndit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;I have now taken the bobbles off of all 14 of my hats!  :cry: :cry: :cry:&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Perhaps you can attach one of them to your helmet?  :D &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I haven't got one.  :shock:</description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;snowb4ndit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;I have now taken the bobbles off of all 14 of my hats!  :cry: :cry: :cry:&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; :shock:  Noooooooooo don't do it I have visions of piles of sad abandoned bobbles everywhere rolling along the streets trying to find jobs as pom poms and we all know that won't work god I'm so shallow but what the hell SAVE THE BOBBLES!!!</description>
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<description> SAVE THE BOBBLES !!!!&lt;br /&gt; Campaign now, don't let political corectness rule!!&lt;br /&gt; I have been banned by OH from being seen by anyone wearing my bobble  :(&lt;br /&gt; But ....&lt;br /&gt; It lives in my gear bag and gets fondly looked at every year.&lt;br /&gt; Mind you - fluorescent orange/yellow/blue with an 8&quot; bobble it is quite visible  :D&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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