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<description> Ok, so I am looking to purchase a new pair of skis for this season, having had confirmation of an insurance payout for the damage to my Neo's earlier this season, and will be looking to spend up to about GBP400 on a pair.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; My last Neo's were fantastic to ski on, but I dont know if I should broaden my horizons and consider other options.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; So, I am a reasonably experienced skier, and confident with it. I do spend most of my time on piste as Mrs H is not a huge fan of venturing off piste. However, I like to be able to get out in the powder without having to worry about my skis not being up to the job, and also be able to ski anywhere on the mountain if I can handle it.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; My ideal length is 166-170, and I like a ski that feels strong and powerful, not an airy fairy light ski.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Who has got some suggestions for me, as I really have not looked at whats on the market this season?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; (ps, note to Ross and his fat-boy friends - I do not want 100mm underfoot, thanks.....   ))&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:40:49 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Hi Tony_H it would appear your in the same category as me, i also am shopping for a new set of skis and have decided to purchase  pair of Scott Crusades. Yes you budget wont stretch to buying you a new pair but there are some good deals on the 2010 mdel online which you can pick up for around GBP250/GBP400. I have done a lot of research over the last few months and it doesnt look like there are many skis out there that quite as much of a punch as these.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Hope this helps.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Christian</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:55:38 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Tone,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; spend yer 400 on a big pair of ****** **** off powder skis, stick another 300 quid in the cat (or under the matress if you prefer), we'll keep a close eye on the weather and I'll show you Engelberg for a long weekend. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Sorted. </description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:59:16 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;tino_11 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Tone,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; spend yer 400 on a big pair of ****** **** off powder skis, stick another 300 quid in the cat (or under the matress if you prefer), we'll keep a close eye on the weather and I'll show you Engelberg for a long weekend. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Sorted. &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;No. I will however come see your apartment sometime though.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Now, any serious suggestions?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I am told the Volkl Kendo's and Rossi Zenith 82's are quite good....?????</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:09:58 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;crispyapplepie wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Hi Tony_H it would appear your in the same category as me, i also am shopping for a new set of skis and have decided to purchase  pair of Scott Crusades. Yes you budget wont stretch to buying you a new pair but there are some good deals on the 2010 mdel online which you can pick up for around GBP250/GBP400. I have done a lot of research over the last few months and it doesnt look like there are many skis out there that quite as much of a punch as these.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Hope this helps.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Christian&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onthesnow.co.uk/gear/ski_reviews/a/99/&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.onthesnow.co.uk/gear/ski_reviews/a/99/&lt;/a&gt;That review doesn't say &quot;buy them&quot; to me. What made you go for them?&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:12:12 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Hi Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Have you thought about getting a pair of Palmer's.  The ones that Trencher uses are still available for under GBP400. You could carve your Sunday joint with a pair of those bad boys!   )</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:27:08 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;AlistairS wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Hi Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Have you thought about getting a pair of Palmer's.  The ones that Trencher uses are still available for under GBP400. You could carve your Sunday joint with a pair of those bad boys!   )&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Don't know a thing about them to be honest.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:41:57 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; They are still selling these on Bargain Boards at GBP369 All mountain performance skis for intermediate/expert riders looking for that extra bit of power&lt;br /&gt; Palmer's FLF Klothoid plus race-style construction know no limits when it comes to ripping these bad boys down the mountain. The core's titanium and Prepreg Sandwich construction give the Palmer P02 the strength of a high-end race ski that goes as fast and hard as you want to take it. Titanium is distinguished by its maximum torsional rigidity, optimal stability and unique precision. The result is tenacious edge grip on hard, icy slopes for carving smooth precise turns. This ski really hits the spot for expert skiers looking for ultimate agility and speed in any terrain while the FLF Klothoid shape helps make the intermediate ride like an expert&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; These ski's come with mounting plates, so you can easily slide on a pair of bindings without any specialist drilling or fitting. The binding plates are compatible with Tyrolia and Head bindings.*&lt;br /&gt; Hope this helps&lt;br /&gt;   )&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 00:00:51 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Does it realy make a diference which skis on groomed runs, what a waste of money! Just rent them</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 00:29:17 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Alistair, while I do not doubt any essence of your conclusions, I have a problem with how you get there. For example, it is self evident that strong torsional rigidity will grip hardpack, but ~what is maximum TR? Such a thing surely does not exist.&lt;br /&gt; What does &quot;optimal stability&quot; mean?&lt;br /&gt; Unique precision?&lt;br /&gt; Smooth precise turns ~ on hardpack, let alone ice?&lt;br /&gt; Ultimate agility? what does that mean?&lt;br /&gt; Ultimate speed? Wow, that would be good.&lt;br /&gt; I'm not going near Klothoid shape!!&lt;br /&gt; What makes an intermediate ride like an expert, might include lessons, experience, technique, conditions........&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I'm not having a go here Alistair, but I am not a fan of Ski-speak. On the other hand, I am more than willing to be educated.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Until then, my GBP49, (when brand new), Volkls, will rip down the Merchenwiess, in 2min 40sec. I have no doubt that Klammer would break 2 min, but then he is not a fan of Ski-speak, either..... :wink:</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 00:47:11 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;crispyapplepie wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Hi Tony_H it would appear your in the same category as me, i also am shopping for a new set of skis and have decided to purchase  pair of Scott Crusades. Yes you budget wont stretch to buying you a new pair but there are some good deals on the 2010 mdel online which you can pick up for around GBP250/GBP400. I have done a lot of research over the last few months and it doesnt look like there are many skis out there that quite as much of a punch as these.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Hope this helps.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Christian&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onthesnow.co.uk/gear/ski_reviews/a/99/&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.onthesnow.co.uk/gear/ski_reviews/a/99/&lt;/a&gt;That review doesn't say &quot;buy them&quot; to me. What made you go for them?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Tone you are completely right, after reading that review i wouldn't touch them either. But the model i was reffering to was the later 2010 model with the upgraded decals...Diamond pattern.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I was going off this review &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onthesnow.co.uk/gear/ski_reviews/2011/a/127/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.onthesnow.co.uk/gear/ski_reviews/2011/a/127/&lt;/a&gt; as im after this years ski. </description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:20:39 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;broom wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Does it realy make a diference which skis on groomed runs, what a waste of money! Just rent them&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thanks for those constructive comments.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:52:10 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Tony&lt;br /&gt; take a look at these, only problem they are a bit over your price guide.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edgeandwax.co.uk/acatalog/Volkl_AC30_Skis_With_Bindings.html&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.edgeandwax.co.uk/acatalog/Volkl_AC30_Skis_With_Bindings.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; you might be able to pick up 2010 model a bit cheaper.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Big fan of these skis, tested some last season.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:40:34 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;Dave Mac wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Alistair, while I do not doubt any essence of your conclusions, I have a problem with how you get there. For example, it is self evident that strong torsional rigidity will grip hardpack, but ~what is maximum TR? Such a thing surely does not exist.&lt;br /&gt; What does &quot;optimal stability&quot; mean?&lt;br /&gt; Unique precision?&lt;br /&gt; Smooth precise turns ~ on hardpack, let alone ice?&lt;br /&gt; Ultimate agility? what does that mean?&lt;br /&gt; Ultimate speed? Wow, that would be good.&lt;br /&gt; I'm not going near Klothoid shape!!&lt;br /&gt; What makes an intermediate ride like an expert, might include lessons, experience, technique, conditions........&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I'm not having a go here Alistair, but I am not a fan of Ski-speak. On the other hand, I am more than willing to be educated.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Until then, my GBP49, (when brand new), Volkls, will rip down the Merchenwiess, in 2min 40sec. I have no doubt that Klammer would break 2 min, but then he is not a fan of Ski-speak, either..... :wink:&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; In my defence Dave I am not a lover of ski-speak and I do not take responsibility for the above techno-ski-speak.  This was taken from the advert part and parcel however, cutting through all of the bull.  These are a fine pair of ski's as judged by test reviews I have seen and read.  In fact, Trencher who owns a pair will no doubt endorse them.  These were suggested as an option that Tony may wish to consider on the basis that for the price and technological features incorporated they are a bargain.  However, as we know if you buy a child the latest toy they obtain more fun from playing with the package!   ) I'm sure Mr Klammer would do them justice and I would certainly like a pair if I could afford them.  :)   </description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:05:15 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Don't worry Alistair, I knew you had used the wording from a write up.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Good suggestion re the Volkl's - they came up on my shortlist when I started investigating, although yes they are a bit pricey.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; So, heres what I have come up with as a shortlist thus far. Any views welcome:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Head Peak 76 2010&lt;br /&gt; Volkl Kendo&lt;br /&gt; Rossignol Zenith 82&lt;br /&gt; Atomic Panic&lt;br /&gt; Armada El Ray&lt;br /&gt; Salomon 1080 Thruster&lt;br /&gt; Line Blend&lt;br /&gt; Head iPeak 78&lt;br /&gt; Scott Aztec Pro&lt;br /&gt; Volkl AC20&lt;br /&gt; Fischer Koa 75RF My Style&lt;br /&gt; Scott Realm 08/09 &lt;br /&gt; Fischer Watea 84&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Bit of a mixed bag, and quite different prices too!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<description> Bit of a hard choice there, your going to bring that list down a number to make it easier for you to pick. I would say either Atomic,Volkl or Rossignol. I find there ski's to be quite good, and i was always satisfied with skis from those companies</description>
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<description> I've got a thing about Scott's.&lt;br /&gt; Reviews rave about the new range of Head's, the Watea's also get cracking write ups. Last time I skied on Volkl's (rentals) I took them back as they were stiffer than a stiff thing from Stiffville. They even &quot;twanged&quot; when I lifted them up and down.&lt;br /&gt; I also had some Rossi Bandits for a day last season and HATED them. I can't quite tell you why, but they skied like a drunk dog.</description>
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<description> Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; What about the Scott Neo Skis, these come in at about the price range.  Mind you, the Klothoid shape might blow Dave's mind!  )</description>
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<description> Tony, I tried the Watea 84's at MK last year. I would definitely test before you buy. They felt ok, a little damp in the handling. The pair I tried were too long at 176, so this year I tried the wmns version (Koa) in the correct length. If someone gave me a pair, I'd use them on cruising days, but I won't be buying any.  </description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:47:19 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;bandit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Tony, I tried the Watea 84's at MK last year. I would definitely test before you buy. They felt ok, a little damp in the handling. The pair I tried were too long at 176, so this year I tried the wmns version (Koa) in the correct length. If someone gave me a pair, I'd use them on cruising days, but I won't be buying any.  &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ta. Not quite sure what to make of that. I appreciate the advice re try before you buy though.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; </description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;AlistairS wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; What about the Scott Neo Skis, these come in at about the price range.  Mind you, the Klothoid shape might blow Dave's mind!  )&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;You are obviously not aware that I already own a pair of Neo's.</description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;bandit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Tony, I tried the Watea 84's at MK last year. I would definitely test before you buy. They felt ok, a little damp in the handling. The pair I tried were too long at 176, so this year I tried the wmns version (Koa) in the correct length. If someone gave me a pair, I'd use them on cruising days, but I won't be buying any.  &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ta. Not quite sure what to make of that. I appreciate the advice re try before you buy though.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I think the Neo is a more lively ski with better feedback. I found the Watea's squidgy and lifeless. I'd attributed this to the fact I'd skied them too long, but on trying the Koa (the same ski and shorter), was distinctly unmoved   ) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; You may of course utterly love the Watea, but FFS test some 1st  :D  </description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;AlistairS wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; What about the Scott Neo Skis, these come in at about the price range.  Mind you, the Klothoid shape might blow Dave's mind!  )&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;You are obviously not aware that I already own a pair of Neo's.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Yes, You won't be wanting another pair then :oops: The Volki Unlimited AC20 has been getting some very good reviews although it comes in at GBP450 with bindings.  You may be able to pick up a pair cheaper on the internet.  One tester has indicated that the AC20's are &quot;'Fun on soft snow and you can really push it on hard pack. Powerful, effortless turns, good edge hold and it's great at speed.'&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;AlistairS wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; What about the Scott Neo Skis, these come in at about the price range.  Mind you, the Klothoid shape might blow Dave's mind!  )&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;You are obviously not aware that I already own a pair of Neo's.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Yes, You won't be wanting another pair then :oops: The Volki Unlimited AC20 has been getting some very good reviews although it comes in at GBP450 with bindings.  You may be able to pick up a pair cheaper on the internet.  One tester has indicated that the AC20's are &quot;'Fun on soft snow and you can really push it on hard pack. Powerful, effortless turns, good edge hold and it's great at speed.'&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yes, those and the Head Peak's sound interesting, and a little different from what I have got. </description>
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<description> Not sure if it would be up your street Tony, but the Rossi Classic 80 is a ski that I want to try as a versatile carver. Would certainly rip on piste, but with an 80mm waist could stay up a little better in the soft stuff.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;img src=&quot;http://content.backcountry.com/images/items/large/ROS/ROS0551/ONECOL.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; class=&quot;mpimg&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.backcountry.com/rossignol-classic-80-ti-ski-ros0551#reviews&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.backcountry.com/rossignol-classic-80-ti-ski-ros0551#reviews&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 05:47:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Hmmmm, dont know if I can go back to traditional tails.... :shock: </description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:54:27 GMT</pubDate>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Hmmm, buying these would see you spend more of your time on piste. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I reckon you should take a look at the Head Peak 82  :D </description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:34:32 GMT</pubDate>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; That hurts me :cry:  to think you that I only come into that class-my on piste skis are a pair of Atomic GS 186cm factory skis (radius &amp;lt;27m and 76mm waist!!)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; In all seriousness the Armada El Rays are the best ski I demoed at last years testing day-most fun, very very good edge hold for a twin tip-literally maxd them out and they still held!&lt;br /&gt; only problem is I hated the Neos so maybe we are different? If it helps, I dont like the watea either but do like the Head 82.  That Rossi one Trencher suggested is very soft I thought&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Let us know what you get!! :D </description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:25:34 GMT</pubDate>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Interesting, but it would be useful if you could go into more detail as to why.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The Head's are on my list, along with the Watea's, which both get superb reviews.</description>
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<description> Something to bear in mind with twin tips... You are losing about 75mm of effective edge for a given ski length. This won't matter so much in powder, but makes a difference on piste, where effective edge is important to a skis grip. So if you seldom ski backwards, you are carrying around a lot of wasted ski just for looks.</description>
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<description> i know this is a rash thing to do but I dont think i agree with trencher-im know you are right about the lack of effective edge on a twin but the El Ray I demoed was short for me-possibly the 171, im not sure.  my point is they still were phenominal on piste-honestly better than your bog standard carver.  I skied them directly after the scott neo and then went onto the punisher straight after and didnt like either of the scotts. (punishers were fun but horribly flappy-just a park ski)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; tony-the reason i didnt like the neos (i think-it was a while ago) was because I just didnt feel comfortable and couldnt relax on them-couldnt trust them.  They werent quick edge to edge on piste and werent solid enough in longer GS style turns, but I felt the tips and waist werent wide enough to be useful off piste.  I just dont understand what sort of skiing they are designed for. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Maybe I just got a pair that werent tuned!!</description>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; How odd. I bought the Neo's specifically because they were supposed to be a true 50/50 ski with good edge hold, shorter turning radius, and because they would carry me off piste and in powder. Having skied them 2.5 weeks, they did everything I wanted them to, and I have to say from my perspective that the main thing I felt when skiing them was total confidence in terms of taking me anywhere, the power through the well balanced weight of the skis, and fantastic fun ON piste in terms of grip and speed edge to edge. I have to say that I was zipping short turns in no problem. &lt;br /&gt; No, they are fair bit narrower underfoot than the El Ray, but this was my first mid fat ski, I was not looking for a freeride ski.&lt;br /&gt; You should find Neo's are marketed as a 50/50 ski for people who ski on piste but also want to venture off it and ski powder, as they are wider underfoot. They are, if you have noticed, not a true twin tip either; the tails are hardly raised to increase edge hold on piste. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Anyway, moving on......maybe I will just keep the money and ski the Neo's and see how I get on with the running repairs to the tails, see if they the first weeks skiing, as thinking about it - they already give me everything I want from my skis currently.</description>
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<description> i must have got a rubbish demo pair then or maybe they were due a good tune i dunno-sorry! I wish wed discussed it nearer the time because i remember thing when i tried them 'i must tell that guy on j2ski not to get the new neo!' if you like it and are comfortable and confident with it (and you dont want a specific offpiste ski) then its a no brainer-get it fixed!</description>
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<description> I spent half a day on some Neo's and found they got deflected at the tips by crud. On groomed piste they were fine, just not what I was looking for, and for me, too thin to be a freeride ski, not stable enough to ski in big turns, and too fat to be a carver.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Tony liked his so much he took them to bed  :lol: </description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:03:32 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Nordica Doberman Spitfire in a 170 cm. They are 14 m radius, 70mm or 72 mm under foot, rock solid on piste but you can go anywhere with them. An excellent ski for an advanced/ expert skier.</description>
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<description> I noticed in your short list you noted Salomon Thruster 1080's.&lt;br /&gt; I tested those last season and they're extremely light underfoot and very flexible, being a freestyle ski and all. Very good in the jib-factor.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I had quick skim through this thread and didn't come across anybody suggesting the Salomon Lord ski? Have you looked into those? Come in your desired lengths, very strong ski, twin tipped and it's been given the best ski rating the last 2 years I believe :) Don't own a pair myself but I certainly would buy a set.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Have you decided on a ski yet Tony?</description>
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<description> Not yet, no.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:10:21 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; You've booked your first trip, have you got your new skis yet?  If so what came out on top? If not whats in the running forgive the pun.  :wink:</description>
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<description> I've opted for some 2009/10 Scott Neo's   ) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.skibartlett.com/scott---neo-0809---156cm-176cm-was-374-3013-p.asp&quot; target=&quot;_new&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.skibartlett.com/scott---neo-0809---156cm-176cm-was-374-3013-p.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Basically, I have had the old ones repaired to a level which means they are totally skiable, look ok, and are totally waterproof. At least, thats what the technician reckons. I have also added a coating of epoxy resin to make double and triple sure they dont get any water in the gap that had opened up.&lt;br /&gt; So, I am going to ski them and see how they hold up. If its all ok, its a win win for me. However, if they dont, I have the cash in the bank for some new ones.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; In a way, I am glad they have been repaired as they are the right ski for me.</description>
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<description> Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Glad to hear your Neo's have been repaired and hope they see you through the season however, I would place some money on the table that says you will have a new pair of skis come April 2011 :wink: Now back to business what about the Volki AC30 with Marker iPT wideride 12.0 bindings!  :lol: </description>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ha, lets see how the Neo's hold up. I dont want to have to replace them but if the damage is terminal......&lt;br /&gt; Not keen on the Volkl's; I looked at them at the ski show and chatted to a sales rep about them. They look horrible, which is not the reason not to get them, but I just dont dig them.</description>
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<description> Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Just seen the all mountain Palmer (I'm not a rep, honest) Nice looking skis however, not seen any testing reviews yet. See what you think:- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bargainboards.co.uk/P/Palmer-P01-LE-Skis(10187&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bargainboards.co.uk/P/Palmer-P01-LE-Skis(10187&lt;/a&gt;).aspx</description>
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<description> If anyone is looking for new skis Ellis Brigham is holding a ski testing day at Milton Keynes on 27th November, 11 a.m. to 4 p.m., cost GBP30 for 3 hours.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snozone.co.uk/v/milton-keynes/events/5&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.snozone.co.uk/v/milton-keynes/events/5&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; They're also doing it at other snowdomes:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ellis-brigham.com/cgi-bin/pnDbDetail.cgi/display::news::::::848::user&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ellis-brigham.com/cgi-bin/pnDbDetail.cgi/display::news::::::848::user&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Ally</description>
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<description> I have new skis.  8)</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 08:41:02 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> I have not got new skis  :evil: </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 08:43:24 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> I don't have skis at all  :cry:   :lol: </description>
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		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Never mind Emma, I'll lend you a pair, I have a pair of nice wooden skis ,bindings attached hanging on my wall at home.</description>
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			&lt;div&gt;Never mind Emma, I'll lend you a pair, I have a pair of nice wooden skis ,bindings attached hanging on my wall at home.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; :lol:  Yey thanks! Reckon I should get some plus fours, a tweed jacket and a flat cap (oh, got one of those) to complete the look too  8) </description>
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			&lt;div&gt;Never mind Emma, I'll lend you a pair, I have a pair of nice wooden skis ,bindings attached hanging on my wall at home.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; :lol:  Yey thanks! Reckon I should get some plus fours, a tweed jacket and a flat cap (oh, got one of those) to complete the look too  8) &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Don't get too excited, the ski's on his wall are older than him and he is really old.</description>
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				&lt;cite&gt;EmmaEvs wrote:&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;blockquote class=&quot;uncited&quot;&gt;
			&lt;div&gt;Never mind Emma, I'll lend you a pair, I have a pair of nice wooden skis ,bindings attached hanging on my wall at home.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; :lol:  Yey thanks! Reckon I should get some plus fours, a tweed jacket and a flat cap (oh, got one of those) to complete the look too  8) &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Plus fours are a bit yesterday but I'm surprised you don't have the tweed jacket  :wink: </description>
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			&lt;div&gt;Plus fours are a bit yesterday but I'm surprised you don't have the tweed jacket&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; No such thing as 'yesterday'. Only 'retro'. I nearly did buy a tweed jacket too. Bit expensive though  :shock: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote class=&quot;uncited&quot;&gt;
			&lt;div&gt;Don't get too excited, the ski's on his wall are older than him and he is really old.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;  :lol:  I'll take your word for it! Think I walked into this one with a recent post!</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 09:36:05 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Ah I see, I just read the post.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;  </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 09:44:32 GMT</pubDate>
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<description> Yes I have a feeling that somewhere much further along my ski learning curve I may come to regret it! At the moment I'm in blissful ignorance for the most part  :roll: </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 09:47:22 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;snowb4ndit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
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				&lt;cite&gt;EmmaEvs wrote:&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;blockquote class=&quot;uncited&quot;&gt;
			&lt;div&gt;Never mind Emma, I'll lend you a pair, I have a pair of nice wooden skis ,bindings attached hanging on my wall at home.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; :lol:  Yey thanks! Reckon I should get some plus fours, a tweed jacket and a flat cap (oh, got one of those) to complete the look too  8) &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Don't get too excited, the ski's on his wall are older than him and he is really old.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Your only as old as the women your with and Mrs W doesn't look a day over 60 :lol: </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 09:57:27 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;Ian Wickham wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
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				&lt;cite&gt;snowb4ndit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
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				&lt;cite&gt;EmmaEvs wrote:&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;blockquote class=&quot;uncited&quot;&gt;
			&lt;div&gt;Never mind Emma, I'll lend you a pair, I have a pair of nice wooden skis ,bindings attached hanging on my wall at home.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; :lol:  Yey thanks! Reckon I should get some plus fours, a tweed jacket and a flat cap (oh, got one of those) to complete the look too  8) &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Don't get too excited, the ski's on his wall are older than him and he is really old.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Your only as old as the women your with and Mrs W doesn't look a day over 60 :lol: &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; That must be why my hubby is so young at heart! </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:03:33 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;snowb4ndit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
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				&lt;cite&gt;Ian Wickham wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
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				&lt;cite&gt;snowb4ndit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
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				&lt;cite&gt;EmmaEvs wrote:&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;blockquote class=&quot;uncited&quot;&gt;
			&lt;div&gt;Never mind Emma, I'll lend you a pair, I have a pair of nice wooden skis ,bindings attached hanging on my wall at home.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; :lol:  Yey thanks! Reckon I should get some plus fours, a tweed jacket and a flat cap (oh, got one of those) to complete the look too  8) &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Don't get too excited, the ski's on his wall are older than him and he is really old.&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Your only as old as the women your with and Mrs W doesn't look a day over 60 :lol: &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; That must be why my hubby is so young at heart! &lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Come on we all know Scap's your toy boy  :wink: </description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:26:04 GMT</pubDate>
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				&lt;cite&gt;AlistairS wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;Tony,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Just seen the all mountain Palmer (I'm not a rep, honest) Nice looking skis however, not seen any testing reviews yet. See what you think:- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bargainboards.co.uk/P/Palmer-P01-LE-Skis(10187&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bargainboards.co.uk/P/Palmer-P01-LE-Skis(10187&lt;/a&gt;).aspx&lt;/div&gt;
		&lt;/blockquote&gt;Now those look deeeeeeeeeecent</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Nov 2010 14:39:59 GMT</pubDate>
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