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New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:33 GMT

Got 'new' skis in the post today ->

Could be interesting :lol:

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:28:07 GMT

Very nice Pabs, a trifle "establishment" for you, if I may be so bold as to pass comment )

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:31:09 GMT

What's wrong with the old ones?

H'mm, just have to re-think that, our respective definitions of "old" may not coincide. :wink:

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:53:17 GMT

They are now the oldest of my 5 pairs (c2005?!). I've always wanted a pair (well, actually the design slightly newer than that) but the deal was too good to say no to. A helmet cam could be interesting for my first time on them to document their attempt to kill me.

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:17:45 GMT

Looks fun, hope they serve you well pabs !

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:11:23 GMT

When do they get a run?

Have a look at these bindings http://kneebinding.com/KB-HomePage.aspx May just save you! Wish i had a pair in January 2010 Snapped both acl and pcl ouch!

H.

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:22:51 GMT

Here's my new skis. Hand made in Austria, designed by Kessler

total length………..1.55 m………….1.63 m…………….1.71 m
tip width…………….114 mm………..120 mm………….128 mm
waist width………...66 mm………….68 mm……………70 mm
tail width…………….101 mm……….107 mm…………..115 mm
side cut radius…….10.5 m.……….12.5 m.…………14.9 m

Two sheets of titanium alloy, decambered tips and tails, clothoid side cuts, low profile tips, and I would guess there's some carbon nad rubber in there too.

These are the 171, and 155. I didn't think there was enough difference to justify the 163 as well, but if I could only get one pair, that would be the best choice.

They carve up ice like it's hero snow :D

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:02:27 GMT

Nice skis....Few $'s I Guess!?

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:02:38 GMT

Wow, now they are bling! I bet the shipping charge was more than the cost of my Fischers. :D

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:15:53 GMT

Huard wrote:Nice skis....Few $'s I Guess!?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well actually not. A combination of lack of promotion by Palmer, and that many people wouldn't think to buy skis made by a snowboard company. The fact that the snowboard company dominates the podiums at WC snowboard racing, the Olympics, and boardercross has escaped them. So these things are ending up on sale. The 155s were $312 w/ free shipping. The 171s were $400 w/ $20 shipping. I picked up deals on the bindings Tyrolia carve binding for $65, and Tyrolia demo bindings (not the cheap ones) for $65 again. I never thought I would be able to buy these skis, but at those prices I couldn't pass them by.

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:33:59 GMT

Trencher :shock: Thats a great deal. Can you obtain these in the UK?

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:46:12 GMT

http://www.bargainboards.co.uk/P/Palmer-P02-LE-Skis-With-13SLR-Carver-Plates%2810188%29.aspx

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:02:10 GMT

Many thanks for your help Trencher :D

Re:New skis :D

Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:33:52 GMT

Huard wrote:When do they get a run?

Have a look at these bindings http://kneebinding.com/KB-HomePage.aspx May just save you! Wish i had a pair in January 2010 Snapped both acl and pcl ouch!

H.

Sometime over the next couple of weeks I will make the effort to get them out. They have to be rotated with other pairs though ;)

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 01:27:15 GMT

A couple of poor quality pics of the Palmers in action

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:27:48 GMT

Interesting looking ski, I'm thinking about buying a pair.
With my reconstructed ACL and PCL in mind I'm thinking of staying on piste for 2 - 3 years, what do you think about them as a on piste ski?
I will phone the supplier today but I reckon I'll get an unbiased opinion from you!

I'm not going back on my XWings (coz i sold em) so was thinking about a ski around 160 with plenty of flex...

Do you think they are suitable?

Thanks

Huard

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:21:09 GMT

I used the 171s in great corduroy conditions for a couple of weeks. They are a very easy ski to use. Aside form the tenacious edge grip when carving, you really notice how little effort it takes to use them, and how less tiring they are. I used them for a GS practice session, and although, I didn't see my times change much, what was immediately apparent was how easy the transitions were. I don't race enough to be really good at gates, and always feel rushed to make transitions. With the Palmers, I felt I had a lot more time. The clothoid sidecut is a smaller radius at the tip end, and a longer radius at the tail. This isn't a totally new idea, but is much more exaggerated on these skis. the smaller radius at the tip hooks into turns easily. The larger radius at the tail, releases the skis easily at the end of the turn.

I had both skis out on very icy conditions last weekend. The combination of decambered tip and tail, with the double sheets of titanium alloy, hold an edge on ice like nothing I have skied before. Irregularities that would have had my other skis bouncing around, had no effect on the Palmers grip. The decambered ends mean that instead of the pressure being concentrated at the tip and tail in a carve, the pressure is redistributed along the entire edge. The low profile tip turn up blends with the sidecut when carving to give a longer effective edge, and the titanium stops flap and vibration on unevenness, but also adds to the torsional stiffness.

Later in the days, when things got soft, and chopped up, both skis cut through the crud better than anything I have used, including the Metrons, which excel in those conditions.

I found this on youtube

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:55:57 GMT

Huard wrote:Interesting looking ski, I'm thinking about buying a pair.
With my reconstructed ACL and PCL in mind I'm thinking of staying on piste for 2 - 3 years, what do you think about them as a on piste ski?
I will phone the supplier today but I reckon I'll get an unbiased opinion from you!

I'm not going back on my XWings (coz i sold em) so was thinking about a ski around 160 with plenty of flex...

Do you think they are suitable?

Thanks

Huard

I think that especially for the pcl, a narrower ski, that doesn't stress the knee laterally is going to be best. These skis are less tiring and very easy to turn. I quickly found that these skis don't need to be muscled, and that my race boots were too stiff. I now use a softer flexing boot with them, which is again less tiring.

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:03:48 GMT

Alastair and Huard, If you do end up buying these, a word on bindings. Any Tyrolia, or head binding should fit the carve plate, except the rail types. I put the SL 110 on the 171s. It's a carve binding with a 30mm stand height. It ends up rather tall, which I like. On the 155s I put SP 120 demo binding, which is 31mm stand height. I wanted to able to let other people try the 155s. For a demo binding it is very solid, and I didn't notice any difference in feel from the SL. Huard, you might want to go with less stand height for your knee, the LD 12 is 21mm.

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:31:52 GMT

I'm hooked....got to have a pair!

The big question is what size!? I'm 6' tall and around 15st kitted up.

I was going to look for a ski around 165 or shorter to give my knee a little extra protection but cant decide...

Whats the your opinion?

H.

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:33:41 GMT

I don't like how this thread has descended from nearly-fat skis to skis for groomers :lol:

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:37:44 GMT

Trencher wrote:Alastair and Huard, If you do end up buying these, a word on bindings. Any Tyrolia, or head binding should fit the carve plate, except the rail types. I put the SL 110 on the 171s. It's a carve binding with a 30mm stand height. It ends up rather tall, which I like. On the 155s I put SP 120 demo binding, which is 31mm stand height. I wanted to able to let other people try the 155s. For a demo binding it is very solid, and I didn't notice any difference in feel from the SL. Huard, you might want to go with less stand height for your knee, the LD 12 is 21mm.

I'm still thinking of going for Kneebinding but cant decide.

H.

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:43:11 GMT

Huard wrote:[

I'm still thinking of going for Kneebinding but cant decide.

H.

Tyrolia have a similar heel release, the light diagonal heel.

http://www.tyrolia.com/en/public/ski-bindings/safety-features/light-diagonalsupregsup-heel/index.html

So maybe the Sl 100

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:47:48 GMT

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TYROLIA-SUPER-LIGHT-SKI-BINDINGS-SL-100-SILVER-BLACK-/280449256545

EDIT actually, that's not the LD with the safety heel

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:48:27 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:I don't like how this thread has descended from nearly-fat skis to skis for groomers :lol:

It's where it's at :wink:

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:49:21 GMT

My fattest skis are twice the waist dimension of my thinnest :shock: :lol:

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:02:38 GMT

Thanks Trencher you knowledge is invaluable....I'm off to do a little research on bindings and then open a bottle or two of fizz with my Mrs!

Cheers

H.

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:09:17 GMT

Ditto thanks Trencher your a star :D

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Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:01:18 GMT

AlistairS wrote:Ditto thanks Trencher your a star :D

So you are the one star bandit :lol:

Re:New skis :D

Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:39:11 GMT

Darn, people catch on fast round here! :lol:

Re:New skis :D

Sat, 27 Mar 2010 06:21:30 GMT

Trencher wrote:

AlistairS wrote:Ditto thanks Trencher your a star :D

So you are the one star bandit :lol:

There is only room for 1 Bandit round these parts :P

Re:New skis :D

Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:27:54 GMT

There is only one way to sort this out - I will see you in the High Street at noon Bandit :lol:

Re:New skis :D

Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:32:06 GMT

Anyway, nobody likes me because I own no stars at all! :oops:

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Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:41:30 GMT

AlistairS wrote:Anyway, nobody likes me because I own no stars at all! :oops:

Sssshhhhh, or someone will give you one

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Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:00:59 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:My fattest skis are twice the waist dimension of my thinnest :shock: :lol:

I saw a pair of skis today that put together were a fair bit wider than my board!! I also saw another Prior board for the first time, the bloke could ride :shock: seen a few Prior skis about this season but thought I had the European rights :)

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Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:08:54 GMT

:lol: Where were you today?

Bringing this thread the love it deserves:

Probably worth saying there is another pair that don't involve orange of any kind so I left them out the shot ;)

Re:New skis :D

Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:11:37 GMT

:shock: :shock: :lol:

Re:New skis :D

Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:27:32 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote::lol: Where were you today?

Bringing this thread the love it deserves:

Probably worth saying there is another pair that don't involve orange of any kind so I left them out the shot ;)

was back in Zermatt, in Grampis now in fact. These bad boys were wider than the pair on the left of your picture :shock: no idea why either, it's late March and it's Zermatt, it's not a big powder resort. Engelberg is where you need to take those whippersnappers!! Up for a May trip to a glacier?

Re:New skis :D

Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:07:47 GMT

That I could do assuming it works in with exams etc. and I pick up my placement for the summer (should know mid->late April). Have you got dates/locations planned?

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Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:13:19 GMT

Any Friday in the month, anywhere that has snow. You need to ski Engelberg mate, you'll love it. Not sure how long the season goes on there mind.

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Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:52:30 GMT

OK, dates could be difficult but would love to sort something out. WIll see how the next month or so pans out, the end of May would have been ideal but I have now committed to a trip to Vigo.

(p.s, the pics in your blog from Glencoe are ace!)

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Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:59:14 GMT

The blog is devoid of my last 4 slidings, can't find the time!! Whilst the rest of the UK was in chaos at New Year, Scotlands West Coast was stunning!!

Re:New skis :D

Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:55:14 GMT

Hi All,

I'm John Springer-Miller, Chairman of KneeBinding. I thought I would jump in and try to provide some information regarding knee injuries.

Most ACL injuries on skis (70% - 75%) occur when a skier's hips and knees are both bent and their ski is pulled directly sideways. Your leg can't bend that way, and the knee takes the hit. This is often the result of simply catching an inside edge, or getting caught up in a pile of crud. It is easy to simulate this - simply take a seat (hips and knees bent) and pull your pant cuff directly sideways to the outside. You can generally feel it right away.

The ordinary "toe-twist" release mechanism of your bindings works well when the force on the ski is a twisting one - for example when the tip of the ski is pulled to the side. But when the lateral force is in the area of the heel of your boot (even slightly in front or behind it) the toepiece of the binding does not detect any force at all - so it does not release.

The only proven way to mitigate this injury is to have the heel of the binding release directly sideways, with no other release occurring. Note that the Tyrolia "Diagonal" binding does NOT do this. In oder for the heel to release sideways, it must first release upward. Since most knee injuries happen when you are rear-weighted (i.e. hips and knees bent) the Tyrolia doesn't help.

Also - don't confuse this with the traditional kind of "turntable" bidnings. These have a rotating plate under the heel. These, also, are designed to help facilitate the toe-twist" release. Turntable bindings have side lugs/bars along the heel of the boot that absolutely prevent any lateral heel release whatsoever.

Kneebindings were created because knee ligament tears and ruptures now account for 1/3 of all reported ski injuries. This includes 70,000 ACL injuries on skis every year, worldwide. KneeBindings have a third dimension of release - a "PureLateral" heel release that can let go of the boot just before the force is great enough to injure your knee - all without pre-release issues.

By the way - women ARE even more at risk of the injury than men are - and there are five or six very interesting reasons for this!

I would be happy to provide any information about this topic that you all want - either through this forum or through emails.

Thanks for giving me space to share this information!

Re:New skis :D

Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:58:33 GMT

A couple of questions for JSM.

It seems to me that when someone is in the position (that all the articles and videos show) of being at risk of acl injury (falling back to one side), that the only release that would be truly effective, would be a vertical toe release. Is that possible ?

I also wonder if wider skis have had any impact on the incidence of acl injury. It's easy to actually feel the extra stress that wide skis put on the mcl (pcl). That being the case, is the effect the same with a typical acl injury fall ?

Would appreciate your views this

Re:New skis :D

Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:15:02 GMT

My friend - who skis since she was 6 - had the most horrendous knee injury, after which she needed an operation (probably another one as well) and could get back into skiing so she's learning the board now. And it happened after the most innocent of falls, which would normally leave only your ego bruised. She was going almost straight downohill at the end of a big slope turn and hit a litte dimple. She fell straight forward on her face, but her binding didn't release as she wanted to set it tighter earlier in the shop - we went for the long mogul run where you can't afford to lose your ski.

Re:New skis :D

Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:54:11 GMT

Trencher - the position you mention is the classic "Phantom Foot" position - often described as a rearward-twisting fall (mostly to distinguish it from a forward-twisting fall). But the fact that you are "falling" backwards doesn't hurt you. Nor does the twisting. These simply put you at risk. It is the abduction that causes the damage.

Think about it as simply catching an edge in such a way that the ski/boot system is pulled directly sideways to the outside. This happens all the time when you are skiing, and that's ok. If you are standing, your foot can move sideways - away from the other foot. But if it happens when your hips and knees are bent ("falling backwards") your leg can't bend that way, and if the force is great enough, it will injure your knee. If you are twisting INTO the abduction ("counter rotation"), the lateral abduction force required is even less, and you are at greater risk of a knee injury.

Once again - try this: sit down (hips and knees bent), face forward, and pull your right foot straight sideways to the outside (to your right) until you feel the pressure. Then, twist your upper body to the right, and pull your foot the same way. You'll feel it in your knee even sooner.

Upward toe releases have never been shown to affect knee injury rates. After all, think about being back in that sitting position. Your hips and knees are bent, but there isn't any "upward" force on your toe!

I have never seen a study that compared knee injury rates based on the width of the skis. However, people often make the mistake of thinking that SHORTER skis reduce the knee injury rate. We do not see any evidence of this. If anything, the opposite may be true.

John Springer-Miller

Re:New skis :D

Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:25:46 GMT

Thanks for the detailed replies John.

Re:New skis :D

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:06:12 GMT

You're welcome. I'm pleased to provide any information I can. I have great respect and appreciation for sites like this, and am happy to help!

John Springer-Miller

Re:New skis :D

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:15:59 GMT

I Can speak from first hand experience on this topic...

Having snapped my ACL in January on day 4 of a 12 day hoilday I wish I had known about Kneebindings before!

I was skiing on XWings on an unpisted red, not moving too quickly started a left turn and at the moment of weight transfer caught an edge. I heard a crack In my right knee and felt my knee joint pop out and back in....oh then out again! Ouch!!
Blood wagon, helicopter, doctors, insurance company's ete etc.

Prof David Barrett has now reconstructed my ACL and did a bit of house work to my knee whilst he was poking about. I am now going to physio 5 days a week and can start driving from 7th April!
I am hoping to return to work around the end of April...Yahoo

I am going to miss my season of water skiing, trekking and my planed trips up Mont Blanc and Ben Nevis.

I return to skiing in January 2011 and will skiing on kneebindings and suggest to those of you that own your skis to fit a pair too...

Good luck everybody

Huard.

Re:New skis :D

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:33:52 GMT

Best of luck to you, and a speedy recovery!

Re:New skis :D

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:38:45 GMT

Huard,
That is a horrible story :shock:

It must have been really frightening and painful at the time :cry:
I hope it all turns out okay for you and you are ski-ing again next year :D

Ally

Re:New skis :D

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:44:49 GMT

Thanks Ally,

I was already on Volterol so that helped! Oddly enough the ride in the blood wagon was a blast and straight down with no turns!

Cant wait to get back on the slopes :D

H.