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Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:16:36 GMT

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100217/tuk-mother-dies-in-family-ski-tragedy-in-45dbed5.html

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:19:22 GMT

Was not wearing a helmet the cause? Probably just speculation and the govt.s way of dealing with it looks like a knee jerk reaction (similar to Italy's after the avalanches a week or two ago).

Until more facts are established I doubt it could be 'yet another reason to wear a helmet'.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:22:13 GMT

Just my opinion.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:23:39 GMT

Thats awful news, i think it should be compulsory in all resorts to be honest.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:25:38 GMT

NellyPS wrote:Just my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, I wear a helmet, but with a title like that it will probably just descend in to the old helmet debate which has been had this season already. To the point where I could probably tell you each users helmet wearing preferences ;)

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:27:36 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:

NellyPS wrote:Just my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, I wear a helmet, but with a title like that it will probably just descend in to the old helmet debate which has been had this season already. To the point where I could probably tell you each users helmet wearing preferences ;)

Me too Pabs )

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:28:10 GMT

I did try and find the original helmet debate thread but failed.

But I get your point :D

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:32:18 GMT

Here you are.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:32:29 GMT

Very sad news to hear.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:33:26 GMT

I'm not gonna start the helmet debate up again, it is just a sorry state of affairs . :shock:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:34:24 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote:I'm not gonna start the helmet debate up again

Phew !!! :wink:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:35:08 GMT

Eljay wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:I'm not gonna start the helmet debate up again

Phew !!! :wink:

:cry: :cry:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:35:31 GMT

tragic news.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:40:22 GMT

A very sad Incident, a Terrible tragedy for this poor family

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:53:31 GMT

Very sad, but as Pablo says, there is absolutely no indication in the report that suggest it was a head injury.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:38:35 GMT

would be surprised if it's not though

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:09:50 GMT

Tragic news indeed. If it makes you buy a helmet, good for you.
I will continue to choose not to, and would appreciate not having it rammed down my throat about why I should thanks.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:24:07 GMT

The BBC report reports the cause of death as a severed Aorta. Not much use for a helmet in this sad incident.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:00:56 GMT

And no need for 1 starring my post either whoever that was :roll:
The world would be a very dull place if we all had to share your opinion.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:05:39 GMT

Could some explain to me as a newbie how this star system works :?:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:19:57 GMT

brooksy wrote:
Could some explain to me as a newbie how this star system works :?:

There is a drop down box with the word 'rate' in it, bottom right corner of each post. You can give one star if you think the post is poor and up to five stars depending on how good you think the post is. I don't see the point really.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:48:57 GMT

Thanks for the info,I hope to stay starless then :D

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:51:59 GMT

oops :-o

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:16:55 GMT

Oooooooooooooooooooh Noooooooooooooooo :cry:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:19:27 GMT

Tony_H wrote:Tragic news indeed. If it makes you buy a helmet, good for you.
I will continue to choose not to, and would appreciate not having it rammed down my throat about why I should thanks.

hear hear :!: worthy of 5 stars :twisted:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:33:48 GMT

Without doubt, ski helmets are the latest fashion icon on the slopes! Ive just returned from a trip to austria and id say 80% of people were wearing helmets. Seeing kids skiing without helmets is a thing of the past; got myself one and I have to say they are much comfier than I ever imagined. They keep your head much warmer :) yet have good ventilation, and I skiing without a helmet will soon be illegal - you couldnt get on a motorbike and travel at 40km/hr without one, but then again i skied for years without a helmet and Im still alive to tell the tale

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:33:40 GMT

No, what you mean is that because more people are wearng helmets, the designers have made them more fashionable.
I doubt you'd see anyone wear a ski helmet to pop into town in back here in the UK.
But they have become more fashion conscious for sure.
Doesnt make me want to get one though.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:16:55 GMT

Tony_H wrote:And no need for 1 starring my post either whoever that was :roll:
The world would be a very dull place if we all had to share your opinion.

:lol:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:18:51 GMT

Just back from Big White, Canada today.
The helmet ratio was about 90%.
The heroes abound still without their helmets, but majority young and old all wearing
helmets.
On March 6, a 27 year old snowboarder hit a tree and died.
It was reported in the TV news as such and they added,he was not wearing a helmet.
I wore my helmet everyday and soon you forget you are wearing it anyway.

Vince

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:48:29 GMT

And in Serre Che last week it was less than 40% wearing helmets. Strange how it varies so much, and that people who do wear helmets STILL look down on those who dont.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:17:12 GMT

I'd never look down on anyone without a helmet. I vary rarely, if ever, look down on anyone.

Out of 18 adults, none of whom wore a helmet last year, I'll be interested to see how many decide to wear one this year. Three of us have bought one so far. There'll be no pressure from me though.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:57:41 GMT

Tony_H wrote:And in Serre Che last week it was less than 40% wearing helmets. Strange how it varies so much, and that people who do wear helmets STILL look down on those who dont.

I don't get why anyone who wears a helmet would look down on someone who doesn't. I mean, whether or not someone else wears a helmet doesn't affect your own safety, unless of course they forget they're wearing it and stand too close and turn round quickly and klonk you with it :lol:

Ally

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:01:34 GMT

Vincentus wrote:

The helmet ratio was about 90%.
The heroes abound still without their helmets, but majority young and old all wearing
helmets.

Vince

Thats the kind of comment I refer to where people look down on those who dont wear helmets.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:22:58 GMT

Tony - if you get so offended by it just stop opening these threads :lol:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:24:24 GMT

Tony,
Maybe he's not being sarcastic, and he really does mean 'heroes'. I knew an old WW2 fighter pilot once, and you wouldn't catch him wearing a seat belt (before they were compulsory I mean).

And I'm not exactly a hero, but I simply can't stand wearing a bicycle helmet. In my time I've biked hundreds, if not thousands of miles around London - including round Hyde Park corner, Marble Arch, even accidentally once on the M4 (a long story) without one, and without any sort of accident. I love the feeling of the wind on my hair, and the sense of freedom I get from being on a bicycle. If bicycle helmets ever become compulsory I might just give up riding a bike. It wouldn't be the same at all.

Whereas, for some strange reason, I don't object to my ski helmet at all - in fact I've become quite fond of it during the course of my week's ski holiday. Maybe it's because I've always skied in a woolly hat, whereas I've always gone bare-headed on my bicycle.

Just do what you want to do, on the ski helmet issue, Tony, and don't worry about everyone else. Unless helmets become compulsory the choice is yours.

Ally

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:00:40 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:Tony - if you get so offended by it just stop opening these threads :lol:

Wind your neck in Ross, I didn't say I was offended. I just get pissed off with super heroes in helmets who go on about people who ski in hats as some kind of lesser being.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:30:36 GMT

Being a helmet wearer I must just interpret these threads differently. Maybe I just understand the long words :twisted:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:36:38 GMT

If I want to look down on a bobble hat wearer, I need to bring my own box to stand on :P

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:45:50 GMT

At the end of the day, bobble hats are cool, helmets are cool.
Peoples choices are choices at the moment.
Not injuring yourself when falling cannot be guaranteed by wearing a helment (depends on how and where you fall).
The amount of deaths on the slopes that are attributed to not wearing a helmet are a small %age out of the total.

Afterall, it is funny to wear a helmet.
Look at SS Schnitzeldork in Serre Chevalier

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:35:16 GMT

Sorry Tony,

Thats the kind of comment I refer to where people look down on those who dont wear helmets.

Your comment above is not me referring to the none wearers in general as heroes.
I refer to the ones who fly by on the slow zones and ski aggressively amongst groups of skiers
with most of them not wearing helmets. I just found myself uttering the word "Hero"
Verbal reaction, thats all i conveyed in my post.

Vince

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:18:03 GMT

Vincentus wrote:

Sorry Tony,

Thats the kind of comment I refer to where people look down on those who dont wear helmets.

Your comment above is not me referring to the none wearers in general as heroes.
I refer to the ones who fly by on the slow zones and ski aggressively amongst groups of skiers
with most of them not wearing helmets. I just found myself uttering the word "Hero"
Verbal reaction, thats all i conveyed in my post.

Vince

Ok, my apoligies in that case.
Are you saying that the people skiing aggressively in the slow zones were mainly not wearing helmets, or the people who were skiing there were not wearing helmets when others who skied aggrrssively came through?

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:53:09 GMT

It's about a year since Natasha Richardson died and the helmet debate came up on the radio today.
Sounds inevitable it will become law & apparently sales of helmets are up 60% since her death.

I think it's a shame - people should be allowed to make own decisions. They always use the bicycle helmet argument - but they aren't compulsory and I think cycling is more dangerous.

No - don't have any stats, just makes sense when roads/concrete/cars involved that you're more likely to get hurt.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:38:08 GMT

PrivateBryan wrote: They always use the bicycle helmet argument - but they aren't compulsory and I think cycling is more dangerous.

No - don't have any stats, just makes sense when roads/concrete/cars involved that you're more likely to get hurt.

Abso-chuffing-lutely.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:04:12 GMT

Aw b*******s I thought this thread had died, obviously it has it's helmet on.

The day they make helmets compulsary is either the day I change destination, or the day I give up. I am considering a helmet cos I'm getting into my jumps, but if some eurocrat in Brussels tells me how to protect myself against myself I will be mighty peeved. I will be horrified if I can't slide down a deserted glacier in May in a t-shirt feeling the sun and wind. If my not wearing a helmet would potentially endager others, I would look at it differently. I simply won't do something just because I'm told to. Everyone, be they helmet heads or not should oppose a legislative change, it's simply another example of nanny state-ism.

Pah!

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:05:19 GMT

tino_11 wrote:Aw b*******s I thought this thread had died, obviously it has it's helmet on.

The day they make helmets compulsary is either the day I change destination, or the day I give up. I am considering a helmet cos I'm getting into my jumps, but if some eurocrat in Brussels tells me how to protect myself against myself I will be mighty peeved. I will be horrified if I can't slide down a deserted glacier in May in a t-shirt feeling the sun and wind. If my not wearing a helmet would potentially endager others, I would look at it differently. I simply won't do something just because I'm told to. Everyone, be they helmet heads or not should oppose a legislative change, it's simply another example of nanny state-ism.

Pah!

Thats my boy. BTW, where the hell have you been.....all loved up?

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:18:06 GMT

There is some truth in that ;) coupled with Saturday working and 80 hour weeks I've been kinda busy. Had an awesome days sliding locally on Sunday mind, discovered a wee slalom run with an unexpected jump half way down, after landing it I was off to find a bigger one, now I'm hooked ;)

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:21:37 GMT

Yes,its me again just got up, another sleepless night with my right shoulder
in agony. A week now since I crashed out onto the icy pathway to the lift at
Big White. I collected no one and yet my skis were 20 metres away and i remember
my face, crashing and sliding into the icy snow. Yes, lucky i had my helmet on.
The right side took the full brunt, no memory of what happened with my right arm.
Just two days off and then finished last two days skiing very slowly.
My brother, the Bowens masseuse took me to see his sports injuries workmate yesterday.
No, not the AC joint, just ripped up my biceps upper and middle. 2 weeks of more pain :(
The helmet thread, i recall reading it a while ago, so thats why i added to it
with my observations of Big White, Canada. I was there for 12 days and was amazed with
the locals high uptake of helmet wearing.

I also defend peoples right to make their own decision with helmet wear.
Wow, my careless use of the word "heroes".
Oops sorry :oops:

Vince

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:29:49 GMT

Vince, judging by what has happened to you, you are the hero!

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:35:41 GMT

Vinci, no need to apologise for your post, made some sentient points. I think Tony's point is, if I may "why is this a debate?" helmets are available for those who want them, and severe brain injury is a possibility for both those who do and don't want to wear them. Nobody here is so naive to think there is no risk, however some are prepared to push risk-benefit further. Anyone who challenges that is somewhat foolish as it's personal. If my lack of helmet increased the chances of a small child being chopped in half then we should debate and reach consensous. As it is, my decision will only harm me and that's up to me. We've had this year on year and it never dies, question is why are we discussing it in the first place????

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:48:06 GMT

High 5 brother.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:26:01 GMT

tino_11 wrote:Nobody here is so naive to think there is no risk, some are prepared to push risk-benefit further. Anyone who challenges that is somewhat foolish as it's personal.

I'm intrigued. What are the benefits of not wearing a helmet?

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:17:13 GMT

Not looking like a numpty?

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:06:08 GMT

Tony_H wrote:Not looking like a numpty?

Is that a measurable benefit?

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:12:20 GMT

If you think helmets look daft you obviously haven't visited www.sweet.no

Then again, cool comes at a price.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:44:04 GMT

In my opinion, all helmets look like people on day release. Just an opinion.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:44:53 GMT

:lol:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:26:35 GMT

And not one that was worthy of one starring by the hidden one star monster. Pratt.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:14:21 GMT

bandit wrote:

tino_11 wrote:Nobody here is so naive to think there is no risk, some are prepared to push risk-benefit further. Anyone who challenges that is somewhat foolish as it's personal.

I'm intrigued. What are the benefits of not wearing a helmet?

Pleasure.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:31:15 GMT

tino_11 wrote:

bandit wrote:

tino_11 wrote:Nobody here is so naive to think there is no risk, some are prepared to push risk-benefit further. Anyone who challenges that is somewhat foolish as it's personal.

I'm intrigued. What are the benefits of not wearing a helmet?

Pleasure.

Pleasure is a feeling, I recognise and accept that it's important to you, but it's not tangible or measurable as a benefit.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:39:23 GMT

So personal pleasure is not benificial then, personally I find it exceptionally tangible. Using your logic, I could ask the question why go skiing at all? I mean it's a lot more risky than sitting on the couch watching others do it. Oh, I know, it's because we enjoy it.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:50:30 GMT

To follow your logic path, you would need to evidence the difference in personal pleasure levels measured between the times when you wore a helmet compared to when you skied (boarded) without.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:11:38 GMT

This argument is futile at best.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:50:20 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:This argument is futile at best.

Tino's decision is based on emotion, not facts. An emotional decision like this can only relate to the owner of that decision. To claim that taking this decision is pushing the "risk-benefit further" has no tangible, measurable, solidity as far as I can discern.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:06:31 GMT

This thread needs closing for the sake of sanity. And also to stop that idiot going around starring people any more.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:23:37 GMT

Tony_H wrote:In my opinion, all helmets look like people on day release. Just an opinion.

pmsl :P :P :P :P

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:25:01 GMT

One thing this thread did was, to show who's is the wibble king around here :wink: :lol:

Trencher

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:26:07 GMT

Tony_H wrote:This thread needs closing for the sake of sanity. And also to stop that idiot going around starring people any more.

pratt :lol:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:31:50 GMT

Hi guys, I have only read the last 2 pages of this thread and I can see it is starting to get a bit heated.

I think that whilst the choice to wear a helmet in resort is there it should be exactly that, "a choice". Some people prefer to wear one for whatever their own personal reasons.

We choose to wear helmets. One of the main reasons I chose to wear a helmet is because I expect the kids to wear a helmet and I want to lead by example. That is my own personal choice, I am not saying that all parents who have kids wear helmets should wear a helmet themselves, that is up to me and no one else.

To be honest, I never really took any notice about who was wearing helmets on the slopes or not and certainly wouldnt look at them any different if they didnt have a helmet, that is entirely up to the individual.

Anyway I wanted to lighten this up a bit and as I like my kids to wear helmets I thought I would make them stand out from the crowd, and they certainly got a few comments and while their kids, they can get away with it, I refrained from getting me and hubby a mowhawk for our helmet.

I have embedded a pic as I think they look cute, (but I am biased :wink:) Not only that though, it helped me identify them on the slopes straight away when I went into panic mode when they zoomed off without me lol.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:34:33 GMT

I read an article yesterday in a local paper about the avalanche deaths this year. Partially due to a very big accident where 7 people died there has been a very large increase in the number of people killed. Initial reaction is "freeriders" young people going out and getting themselves killed off piste. But the newspaper actually researched deeper. A lot of the deaths occurred in the back country a long way from controlled areas, a lot of these deaths were people who did not carry Avalanche transcievers, a lot of these people were older more experienced ski tourers... NOT Freeriders!!! The article actually went on to say that many freeriders are very well prepared, trained and carry as much safety equipment as they can get their hands on!!!

What has this to do with helmets?

Well the argument these people use for not having transcievers in the back country. I never used one before so why should I start now. They look down on the young whipper snappers who buy the equipment and get themselves trained up, and think because they never had an accident before they won't now!!!

Does that attitude seem familiar?

P.S. Saying somebody looks like a numpty for wearing a helmet is highly irresponsible in my book. Firstly its your opinion, secondly it has the potential to put someone off buying a helmet who would otherwise get one because of "not looking cool". I personally happen to think that these days its the people without the helmets that look like "Numpties". I put them in the same basket as the people I see going down 40+deg uncontrolled runs with no backpack and no clue!

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:06:11 GMT

Karen,
I think your kids look great in their decorative helmets :D

I've never tried doing it in a helmet, so I don't know if it's more pleasurable or not :wink:

Ally

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:08:29 GMT

I believe Benny from Crossroads wore a woolly hat (on and off the slopes) and he wasn't exactly the chairman of ICI, was he?

I think this argument has run its course - time for the mods to put it out of its misery!

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:13:17 GMT

Benny

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=421845395789

:D

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:36:05 GMT

Karen i think your kids look pretty cool! 8)

P.S Not sure they will appreciate you calling them cute they look a bit too old for cute to be cool :lol:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:27:40 GMT

Those kids helmets make them look German. Which can't be a good thing.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:59:20 GMT

AllyG wrote:I've never tried doing it in a helmet, so I don't know if it's more pleasurable or not :wink:
Ally

awww c'mon :!:

that's like leaving the door wide open :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:52:11 GMT

Is a numpty a beginner? It is where I come from.

So, helmet or not, it is clear whether you are just starting out or not.

What's the matter with being a numpty anyway? We all gotta start somewhere.

(ps I look like I am on day release in mine so Tony right in my case) ) )

Just thought I'd add - up to the individual in my opinion. I don't care if others wear them or not I just decided I would.

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:06:07 GMT

freezywater wrote:

AllyG wrote:I've never tried doing it in a helmet, so I don't know if it's more pleasurable or not :wink:
Ally

awww c'mon :!:

that's like leaving the door wide open :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm still waiting for someone to walk through it ... :lol:

Re:Yet another reason to wear a helmet

Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:57:26 GMT

AllyG wrote:

freezywater wrote:

AllyG wrote:I've never tried doing it in a helmet, so I don't know if it's more pleasurable or not :wink:
Ally

awww c'mon :!:

that's like leaving the door wide open :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm still waiting for someone to walk through it ... :lol:

Theres no point Ally. There really isnt.