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Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:48:03 GMT

Okay, here's the script. There are definitely some skiing characters out there in J2ski land & maybe a bit of healthy competition throughout the season is just what is needed to keep the banter going. Nothing too serious mind just who will ski the most km of piste in any giving day over the coming season. To facilitate the above you need to be visiting a ski station where the lift system has skiline technology or similar which can data record your days skiing by registering your ski pass everytime you pass through the turn style of the lift system & works out the km skied & altitude gained. At the end of the day you go on line at skiline.cc & enter the number from your pass to retrieve your data. On return from your holiday post your results here & keep an eye on the thread to see how you fare. Possibly categorize men, women, vets, super vets etc.. :?:
If nothing else it will be another memory from a skiing holiday.

Finn
Definitely way too much time on my hands today.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:59:17 GMT

I'm guessing this is a MAN thing )

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:19:50 GMT

jastem wrote:I'm guessing this is a MAN thing )

Oh I don't know, my daughter is pretty competative in everything she does. :-)

Finn

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:39:30 GMT

I'll see what I can do 8)

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:31:26 GMT

jastem wrote:I'm guessing this is a MAN thing )

More of a "never mind the quality, feel the width" type thing.

Trencher

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:51:37 GMT

Im out, doesn't include France on there, and i haven't come across anything on the Val Thorens website which allows you to do this!

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:13:47 GMT

swskier wrote:Im out, doesn't include France on there, and i haven't come across anything on the Val Thorens website which allows you to do this!

Do you have an iphone? if you do there is an app you can download which will record your piste milage 8)

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:41:56 GMT

Will it work on ipod touch!? Probably not i'd imagine as it doesn't have built in internet!

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:44:48 GMT

swskier wrote:Will it work on ipod touch!? Probably not i'd imagine as it doesn't have built in internet!

You should get the net on a touch I am not sure about downloading the app, go on to itunes and try and down load 8)

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:49:09 GMT

ya but does it not require a signal to track your movements!? i can get the app fine, but don't know if the app will work without internet!

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:53:55 GMT

swskier wrote:ya but does it not require a signal to track your movements!? i can get the app fine, but don't know if the app will work without internet!

That might be the difference as I think I'm right in saying that the iphone will use GPs, but I'm not a 100% sure 8)

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:23:28 GMT

Yes thats what i thought, it would track you via a GPS system and that will require an internet access!

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:52:49 GMT

I don't think it will need Internet access just the GPS signal turned on :roll:

Will check - Mr PSC has an iphone so will download the app and then I can be Queen of the Mountains starting on the 19th December :lol:

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:45:07 GMT

There are two different measuring systems going on here. What Finn introduced was the day count of the number of times your lift pass opens the barrier. This will then be multiplied by the distance of the shortest route from the top of the lift to the bottom. Where there are multiple routes, the additional distance of the longer route will not be accounted for.

A GPS system will measure your route.

Neither will measure the true distance that is taken up by the turns. How much this is an influence on the distance, will depend on the individual ski style. Add 5% to 30%.

But, either method would be a useful comparitor.

I already know how much skiing I do in a day, and what my most ever was on one day. :wink:

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:46:20 GMT

In the case of Tino, add 1% for turning!

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:57:14 GMT

I may well be wrong,
But - I don't think the GPS will measure the diagonal distance skied, only the horizontal distance. We (i.e. farmers) have had a lot of difficulty with having our field areas measured correctly by satellite, especially if they are on hills.

Ally

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:07:15 GMT

Hello Dave
Having skied with your goodself on one occassion I am guessing that you would be a contender. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Finn

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:07:38 GMT

That's a good point about the GPS reading Ally, so it would under-read by a value, depending on the gradient. Say 12% to 30%.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:08:07 GMT

I'm sure this would be cool but going fast in a straight line for a day down blues/reds would take the crown, not always the best way to enjoy the hill 8)

Edit: I have an immediate weight disadvantage on that one :(

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:26:41 GMT

I agree with you Pablo, but that is a view of experienced skiers. A less experienced skier would find the blues just as much a challenge.

My days skiing will include a mix of runs, all to love, all to enjoy. No blues, but I never really get hung up on run colours, since they are so poorly defined, and as you do more skiing, it matters less.

The speed you do them at is governed by many factors. Also, in general, I do not feel that varying speeds inhibits my appreciation of the mountain surroundings. When you get better at any sport, you always seem to have more time. Remember Jackie Stewart saying that when driving at 180 mph, he could recognise individual people in the crowd.

That is different from doing a day long eyeballs out day. I last did that in 2001. Something over 100 km. I will never manage that again.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:30:28 GMT

Finn wrote:Hello Dave
Having skied with your goodself on one occassion I am guessing that you would be a contender. :thumbup: :thumbup:

Finn

Very kind of you Finn, there might have to be an age group category, to let me in! There are 12 year old girls in Niederau that are quicker than me!

As I recall, you didn't exactly hang about yourself! Lovely style too. Very similar to Rusty Inn.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:40:10 GMT

Dave
Dave
Not exactly sure who Rusty Inn was I do however recall Dusty Bin from Bullseye.

Finn

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:43:57 GMT

Finn wrote:Dave
Dave
Not exactly sure who Rusty Inn was I do however recall Dusty Bin from Bullseye.

Finn

RustyInn is a J2ski regular, with a great attitude to skiing. A bit like tino, in that he seems to squeeze heaps of skiing into every season.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:51:37 GMT

Dave Mac wrote:

Finn wrote:Dave
Dave
Not exactly sure who Rusty Inn was I do however recall Dusty Bin from Bullseye.

Finn

RustyInn is a J2ski regular, with a great attitude to skiing. A bit like tino, in that he seems to squeeze heaps of skiing into every season.

No offence men't Rusty Inn. :oops:

Finn

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:57:46 GMT

Okay,

I'll go first with the skiline stats.

21.11.09 Zermatt

21 lifts
7003m Vertical
43km Uphill
55km Downhill

and

Knackered.

:D

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:44:19 GMT

Tino,
I don't get this. Do you mean you have been up 21 lifts already?

Ally

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:18:03 GMT

Yeah it means I used 21 lifts today. It is slightly misleading in this case as one of the lifts I was using has a mid-station, which you can chose to get out at, skiline assumes you dont, I assume, and counts it as two lifts. I didn't get out at the mid-station.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:42:40 GMT

tino_11 wrote:Okay,

I'll go first with the skiline stats.

21.11.09 Zermatt

21 lifts
7003m Vertical
43km Uphill
55km Downhill

and

Knackered.

:D

Tino
That's roughly about 35 miles, no wonder your knackered.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

Finn

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:47:41 GMT

Finn wrote:

tino_11 wrote:Okay,

I'll go first with the skiline stats.

21.11.09 Zermatt

21 lifts
7003m Vertical
43km Uphill
55km Downhill

and

Knackered.

:D

Tino
That's roughly about 35 miles, no wonder your knackered.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

Finn

The Scotland result has given me some energy :)

According to Skiline, it was the 3rd largest vertical of the day also :shock:

http://skiline.cc/top100?r=601

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:50:20 GMT

Thanks Tino,
That's amazing :shock:. Just going up 20/21 lifts in one day is quite an achievement, never mind boarding down all the pistes!

I am not even going to enter this competition, unless there is a booby prize for the person who falls over the most, and even then I expect some wobbly bambi-on-ice like beginner will win it :cry:

Well, done, and I can see why you are a little fatigued :D

Ally

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:50:24 GMT

Hang on, make that season so far!!

However Skiline top 100 is only made up of registered users, so there are many more who dont show :roll:

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:56:09 GMT

AllyG wrote:Thanks Tino,
That's amazing :shock:. Just going up 20/21 lifts in one day is quite an achievement, never mind boarding down all the pistes!

I am not even going to enter this competition, unless there is a booby prize for the person who falls over the most, and even then I expect some wobbly bambi-on-ice like beginner will win it :cry:

Well, done, and I can see why you are a little fatigued :D

Ally

It not about falling over the most, it's the style which which you do it Ally 8)

On a normal recreational days skiing I will do about 40km, but when you are alone and there is not much infrastructure open you tend to do more I think as you learn the runs very fast and it speeds you up. They closed all the lifts at 3.30pm today as well.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:46:14 GMT

The 3.30pm closure means you lost an hour Tino, so you would be due another 6/8km or so.

What was your uphill time c/w your downhill time. Would be looking for a 4:1 ratio? Maybe 10/12km/hr downhill?

Now you have posted a benchmark, it becomes interesting.

You are dead right, when you ski alone, you can pack in more milage, because you can do non-stops, and you don't have to wait. Also, since you are setting you own pace, you remain within your own comfort zone, and so can use your energy capacity more efficiently.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:53:52 GMT

It partly depends on the queues, as well, of course. Even if I was the world's best skier I don't suppose I'd manage to do 21 lifts at Courchevel during Feb half-term.

To win this competition, ideally you need to pick a resort with excellent, fast lift access right to the top of the mountain, with very long straight blue runs with enough slope to get up some speed, and no queues.

Ally

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:39:13 GMT

Queues are important, plus one's ability to errm negotiate to negotiate the queue. :shock:

I definitely would not look on this as a competition. It would not matter a fig should I fall behind any J2skier in a ranking order, as long as I had done what I did, to the best of my ability.

OTOH, 55km is the target. :evil:

I do feel that blue runs would not get you on the podium though, Ally!

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:46:56 GMT

Dave Mac,
I was thinking of the angle effect, if one was using a GPS to measure distance. Of course, it would be different if one was in a resort with the facility to measure actual distance travelled. And one can go pretty fast on blues as long as they don't have those horrid flat sections where you have to pole or too many other people to avoid. I don't imagine many people go straight down on a black without 'tacking' :D But perhaps you are right and it might be better to pick reds rather than blues.

I am only interested in the theory of how it might be possible to pick the best resorts, runs, and lifts to win. The weather would matter as well. Obviously one couldn't ski at a million miles an hour in fog, or in a blizzard. And time of year would make a difference. Longer daylight hours equals longer lift opening hours. And, no time for 2 hour lunch breaks, like the French seem to do.

Ally

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:01:21 GMT

Some good points here Ally, yes you do need some reds to keep the basic speed going, even in the Hahnemkahn there is a long flat section.

The time of year matters. When I broke the Niederau record, it was mid Jan, there were few queues, the conditions were fast but good grip, the light was good, there were some other fast skiers to latch on to, and the lift stayed open for an extra 10 minutes. There was no lunch break, I ate a roll from my pocket on the Godola, and didn't drink or pee all day. By mid afternoon, the queues were letting me through, all the locals knew what was going on, and were showing strong indifference. :x

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:10:52 GMT

Dave Mac,
I didn't know you'd already broken a speed/distance resort record. How stupid of me :oops:

The furthest I've travelled during one day was the day we did the whole of the 3 valleys in one day, and the instructor took us up Mont Vallon (I think it's called) in Meribel just for fun as it wasn't en route, and I think the red run down is the longest in the 3 valleys. We started at the usual lesson time in Val Thorens, skied through Meribel and on to Courchevel and stopped for the obligatory 2 hour French instructor's lunch break, and got back early with enough time to do another run just for fun.

It was certainly the fastest I've ever skied. And I was totally knackered by the time we stopped for lunch in a restaurant somewhere above Courchevel.

Ally

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:32:57 GMT

AllyG wrote:Dave Mac,
IThe furthest I've travelled during one day was the day we did the whole of the 3 valleys in one day, and the instructor took us up Mont Vallon (I think it's called) in Meribel just for fun as it wasn't en route, and I think the red run down is the longest in the 3 valleys. We started at the usual lesson time in Val Thorens, skied through Meribel and on to Courchevel and stopped for the obligatory 2 hour French instructor's lunch break, and got back early with enough time to do another run just for fun.

It was certainly the fastest I've ever skied. And I was totally knackered by the time we stopped for lunch in a restaurant somewhere above Courchevel.
Ally

That sounds like a strong days skiing Ally. The more you ski, and as your technique improves, the less energy you need, even though you are going more quickly. If I could glide as well as Admin, or Caron-a's man, I would be a happy, (and less tired) bunny.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:37:25 GMT

AllyG wrote:Dave Mac,
I didn't know you'd already broken a speed/distance resort record. How stupid of me :oops:

The furthest I've travelled during one day was the day we did the whole of the 3 valleys in one day, and the instructor took us up Mont Vallon (I think it's called) in Meribel just for fun as it wasn't en route, and I think the red run down is the longest in the 3 valleys. We started at the usual lesson time in Val Thorens, skied through Meribel and on to Courchevel and stopped for the obligatory 2 hour French instructor's lunch break, and got back early with enough time to do another run just for fun.

It was certainly the fastest I've ever skied. And I was totally knackered by the time we stopped for lunch in a restaurant somewhere above Courchevel.

Ally

Ally
That's the beauty of skiline, it records the data so you can keep the memory of a great day like the one you spent in Courcheval. I would say we would all be pleasantly surprised just how far we ski in a normal day.

Finn

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:10:13 GMT

Finn wrote:

Ally
That's the beauty of skiline

and the other side of it is, it only works in about 0.5% of Europes ski resorts

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:26:13 GMT

Looks like the first speed related death for the 09/10 ski season.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/11/21/Teenage-girl-dies-on-Colo-ski-slope/UPI-44581258856604/

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:34:19 GMT

Mmmmmm very sad

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:47:00 GMT

Yeah, very sad - and awful for her family and friends :cry:

Ally

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:54:03 GMT

So sad.

Re:Are you the king or queen of the mountain.

Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:06:02 GMT

makes you wonder how these things happen. body armour underneath your ski jacket next then :cry: