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Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:30:02 GMT

Ok, just wondering who watched it and what they thought of it.

I am going to guess that certain people refused to because of their prejudice against Ryanair, or others will say O'Leary is this and that just because they have in their own minds an idea that his business is evil.

For what its worth, I struggled to find quite what point Panorama were trying to make with this programme. It started off with the usual dissing Ryanair for people missing flights when the online check in started, extra costs when booking flights, highish priced on board refreshments, and complaints from the odd member of staff about being targeted for sales and pilots having to plan flights in their own time.

It then went on to complete the picture by covering the facts that Ryanair is now officially the worlds largest airline in terms of passenger numbers, that it has one of the best safety and punctuality records in the business, fewer lost bags than any of its rivals, and that they still offer the cheapest fares in Europe.

The BBC reporter then went and got himself into a right mess when trying to interview Mr O'leary, who wanted an unedited and uncut interview to be shown or he would not be prepared to give one, as he did not want BBC clipping it to suit their own personal agenda. I believe he has a point, which he made nicely when he said Ryanair fly more people than watch the BBC, and that meant they were more popular than the BBC and that the BBC wanted to run their agenda of hidden costs all the time because maybe the BBC are not quite so popular with the public. Again, I think he has a point.

He also rightly pointed out the facts, which some people always seem to overlook; which are that no one is forced to fly with Ryanair, no one can book a seat without knowing what their overall cost is, all extra charges are explained on the website and are not secretly added in (like them or not), and that the T&Cs which EVERYONE has to agree to before proceeding clearly state that you need to check in online and bring the printout or face a stiff charge at the airport. Whilst we may not agree with being charged GBP5 for printing out our own boarding pass on our own printer in our own ink, we all do it and no one forces us to.

Likewise with baggage, we know what the restrictions are, yet the people who complain are the ones who abuse the restrictions and try to pull a fast one by not adhering to the rules.

Like him or hate him for whatever reason, you have to admire O'Leary. He is an astute business man, who drives a hard bargain, and provides a simple and efficient service to millions of people who want/need it. It is not a quality product, that you know when you book, hence the low costs. I personally don't like the fact they charge heavily for ski carriage, but I dont use them for ski holidays, so its not a problem for me. Anyway, O'Leary is a clever bloke, and I respect him for that. He bought a brand new fleet of 200 Boeing 737'a just after 9/11 when other airlines were pulling out of orders so he got a fantastic deal, although the details were not made public. He also annoyed Airbus by not placing the order with them and playing them off against Boeing, but thats what buyers do with suppliers, they find the best deal and use one against the other to get the best deal. He then stripped everything out of the planes, not to make the less comfortable but to make them lighter so that they were more economical. He is not stupid. Airbus wont do business with him until he offers more money per aircraft, but he is not going to pay what they want, and therefore they will not sell a single unit to him, whereas if they lowered their price they would do a multi billion euro deal with the worlds biggest airline, and get one over on their major rivals. They too are running a business, but they dont have the same philosophy. Thats up to them.

Anyway, in summary, I take my hat off to Mr O'Leary. I agree with him that no one is forced to fly with Ryanair, but millions do, and keep coming back time and time again. Its not a quality product, but its reliable and cheap, fact. There are no hidden costs, just extra costs which people dont like having to cough up for.
I actually thought the way he dealt with the BBC reporter was spot on and the poor old reporter didnt know how to take him at all. Lots of "erm, ummm, hmmm" going on!

Oh, and if you go to bbc.co.uk/panorama they claim to show the whole live interview uncut. Guess what - there is a break 3/4 of the way through, which they refer to as "changing the tape".

I know who I trust more.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:36:02 GMT

I watched it a clever business man maybe ......... but I'm still not flying with them 8)

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:41:20 GMT

Nice summary Tony, I refused to watch it on the basis of being a fan of O'Leary and his no-nonsense approach. As Ryanair rightly state no one is pressured into flying with them, people are aware of all charges before they book and they are provided with the T and C's under which they book. Think am right in saying the only thing that O'Leary says keeps him awake at night is the safety aspect, and obviously that's a main priority as the business would suffer massively if they were to have a catastrophic accident. Ryanair have actually published their correspondence with the Beeb over the offer of unedited interviews etc http://www.ryanair.com/site/news/releases/2009/docs/Panorama%20Correspond.pdf and it's worth a read if anyone has time - seems to show how upfront Ryanair appear to be whilst they accuse the Beeb of planning a hatchet job ...

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:26:11 GMT

Tony,
Great summary. Glad you typed it, must've taken ages!

I did watch it, I found it interesting and it's true no one is forced to fly with them.

You've summed up how we felt about the programme.

Some of the costs do appear a bit sneaky, but when it comes to paying there's nothing actually hidden.

I'd fly with them, but I'd know what I was getting. Cheap, no frills. (Any hopefully my luggage at the right place/right time)

I have in fact been with them skiing, for a short break. We had no issues whatsoever.
Wouldn't fly any of the budget airlines for a weeks skiing. I'd drive or package tour.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:55:12 GMT

I think some of you guys must earn too much money, I do not think any of the budget airlines are cheap any more, the price has been creeping up over the last couple of years, and I never quite understand the " No frills " thing most of planes are new and comfortable and you no longer get a microwaved meal they are no different to any package carrier.
On what I saw last night as I have never seen " him " before, did I like him, was he carismatic, was he some one to look up to,would I trust him, I'm afaid the answer is no on all counts :evil:

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:18:42 GMT

I think most of you have failed to see exactly what O'Learys real genius is.

Stack 'em high and sell 'em cheap......to start with
Raise you're prices to a level just below the competition
Make the pricing ambiguous to cause contraversy
Have you're most costly expense paid for by your detractors

Marketing is King in the service sector, Ryanair don't pay a penny.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:30:15 GMT

Sorry Tony, your no doubt well written entry was too daunting for me. However, I have just watched the programme on iplayer and thought it was a very badly presented one-sided non story. Which is pretty typical of the BBC I hasten to add.

I had no real opinion of Ryanair prior to the programme - in my opinion they are what they are and people have the benefit of personal choice.

Having watched the programme, the reporter Vivian White came across as some kind of Crusader without a Cross, desperately trying to shock with facts already in the public domain. Bit of a tw*t actually.

Ryanair I felt were portrayed as a shrewdly run business in a highly competitive market place, and if that was Panorama's aim, then they succeeded.

O'Leary must love the free marketing provided by the BBC.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:14:15 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote:I think some of you guys must earn too much money, I do not think any of the budget airlines are cheap any more, the price has been creeping up over the last couple of years, and I never quite understand the " No frills " thing most of planes are new and comfortable and you no longer get a microwaved meal they are no different to any package carrier.
On what I saw last night as I have never seen " him " before, did I like him, was he carismatic, was he some one to look up to,would I trust him, I'm afaid the answer is no on all counts :evil:

Because I DON'T earn too much money I'd look at Ryanair to see if the flights were affordable.

If they were the cheapest I'd go with them. Simple.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:46:49 GMT

Dids1 wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:I think some of you guys must earn too much money, I do not think any of the budget airlines are cheap any more, the price has been creeping up over the last couple of years, and I never quite understand the " No frills " thing most of planes are new and comfortable and you no longer get a microwaved meal they are no different to any package carrier.
On what I saw last night as I have never seen " him " before, did I like him, was he carismatic, was he some one to look up to,would I trust him, I'm afaid the answer is no on all counts :evil:

Because I DON'T earn too much money I'd look at Ryanair to see if the flights were affordable.

If they were the cheapest I'd go with them. Simple.

Now we are cooking the word "affordable" is out ....... so they are now not cheap but affordable, I maybe agree with that one :wink:

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:27:15 GMT

No doubt O'Leary is a very shrewd businessman and has built up a very successful airline.

However, I believe he is very much in danger of shooting his golden egg laying goose by adding compulsory extras rather than increasing the base price. He is peeing off a large number of travellers with some of these:

eg Making the only free way to pay a card which almost no one holds and is frankly useless for anything else
Charging for home printed boarding passes - you can't board without one, so sorry Mr O'L, it's not an extra and you're probably in breach of trading standard type rules. Charge more for an airport issued one, maybe, but not the alternative
His luggage policy is a rip off - not allowing people to pool their allowance is purely a revenue raising measure and only likely to up the number of bags people carry.
His floating of the idea to charge to use the toilet is another example.

Having been ripped off a Girona airport on the luggage front, and subsequent refusal to provide refreshment when stuck onboard for 2 hours on the ground, I would try to avoid flying with his airline ever again.

I used to respect him, I don't now.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:30:06 GMT

I don't think the Ryanair experience is all that great but I would not cut my nose off to spite my face by saying I'll NEVER (an awfully long time!) fly with them.

They're not always cheaper but they do fly to destinations that others don't. I can think of Biarritz, Santander, Treviso and Perpignan as places I've been with Ryanair that were not served by other airlines.

I've been with EasyJet, BMI Baby, Go (gone!) and Buzz (buzzed off!) as well as FlyBe; if they're going to the place I want to got to at the right price, I'll fly with them.

Now Aeroflot....don't get me started on Aeroflot )

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:51:25 GMT

Great till you get to the airport and find that the flight time they advertise and you have booked for (and says on your confirmation) isn't actually the slot they have, it's about 25 mins earlier so therefore check-in is closed when you arrive well within the 40 minutes before the ADVERTISED & CONFIRMED time of flight.

Yet this is my problem and they can't help - despite misleading me. I got my money back after a long fight but they won't get near a penny again.

Easyjet on the other hand, I screwed up - I went to the wrong airport (Luton instead of Stanstead) for a flight to Glasgow. They put me on standby, got me on the flight as there was a no show and din't take a penny of me when I'd happily have paid any price as it was ME that had screwed up.

That's my personal experience anyway.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:08:17 GMT

When we were back home in UK for a vacation a couple of years ago, my wife decided to go to Poland. Ryan Air was very slightly cheaper than other airlines, so she went with them. I can see that if you are getting a great price for a flight, a totally crappy experience might be expected, but when you are paying full whack, it is not acceptable. Ryan Air should have a "before you buy" warning, so people who don't know how they operate, won't be traumatised by their experience.

Trencher

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:36:29 GMT

Am I the only person that's p*ssed off that Mr O'Neill has changed air travel forever? (And not in a good way in my opinion.)

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:19:51 GMT

Tony for the win!

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:46:16 GMT

Who is Mr O'Neill? I thought it was Stelios and O'Leary - the offspring of Freddie Laker - who changed air travel for ever!

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:30:41 GMT

People can say they're not cheap but being a regular visitor with the family to Ireland to stay with the in-laws this half term (if something hadn't come up in the meantime) we could have flown Liverpool to Dublin return afternoon of Sat 24th, back afternoon of Sat 31st (so good flight times not early morning or late evening) for GBP50 for ALL 5 of us, everything included - how? Well was GBP5 per sector each, no taxes (not sure how Ryanair actually do this, do they cover this cost themselves?), hand luggage only, free online check in and paid with by Halifax's Easycash Visa Electron card (as we go to Ireland so often was worth 5 minutes doing an online application for this even if the card only gets used for flights with Ryanair!) So how anyone can say that GBP50 for 5 return flights isn't cheap is beyond me!

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:10:08 GMT

Dorset Boy wrote:No doubt O'Leary is a very shrewd businessman and has built up a very successful airline.

However, I believe he is very much in danger of shooting his golden egg laying goose by adding compulsory extras rather than increasing the base price. He is peeing off a large number of travellers with some of these:

eg Making the only free way to pay a card which almost no one holds and is frankly useless for anything else
Charging for home printed boarding passes - you can't board without one, so sorry Mr O'L, it's not an extra and you're probably in breach of trading standard type rules. Charge more for an airport issued one, maybe, but not the alternative
His luggage policy is a rip off - not allowing people to pool their allowance is purely a revenue raising measure and only likely to up the number of bags people carry.
His floating of the idea to charge to use the toilet is another example.

Having been ripped off a Girona airport on the luggage front, and subsequent refusal to provide refreshment when stuck onboard for 2 hours on the ground, I would try to avoid flying with his airline ever again.

I used to respect him, I don't now.

Sounds to me more like you didnt adhere to the luggage policy, same as Wickers. They dont just randomly charge extra for nothing, they charge of you exceed your 15 kilo allowance. Simple rule is dont exceed it. Its not a rip off, its a condition of flying with them. Many other airlines do not allow you to pool luggage allowances so dont blame it on O'Leary.

I think a lot of people have also missed the issue regarding the Visa Electron Card. I dont have one, but did you know that if you wanted to get one, you can get a RYANAIR Visa Electron? See where hes going with that one....?

Show me an airline that automatically provides you with refreshments on board for being delayed 2 hours? I sat on the runway in Santorini for that period of time in the summer, not with Ryanair I hasten to add, and the pilot very kindly explained to us that they were unable to provide anything because of some EU law. They did however provide everyone with a free drink once they had taken off. However, this was BMI who charge a lot more for their flights and who have a higher standard of service. Ryanair cabin crew are monitored for sales performance as this makes up part of their salary. No one forces them to work for Ryanair, before anyone carries on about how bad their pay is. Actually, their pilots are paid above industry rate.
If part of their pay is made up from selling refreshmsnts, they arent going to give it away, are they? Especially when most of the delays these days are NOT the fault of the airline, and usually hinge around ATC problems, weather, or stupid passengers who forget to board on time.

He may well be peeing off a number of passengers, but they still fly more passengers than any airline in the world, and have increased by 15% this past year.

I am not for one minute saying Ryanair is the best thing since sliced bread, but as Tino rightly points out, the man has got a business model and it works very very well. People need to open their eyes a little more and stop expecting everyone to do them a favour.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:16:23 GMT

caron-a wrote:Am I the only person that's p*ssed off that Mr O'Neill has changed air travel forever? (And not in a good way in my opinion.)

What, by lowering prices, charging on through a recession with massive growth, taking us to places we could never go to before, and making flying more accessible to many more people as a reuslt?

O'Leary or not, other airlines have been looking at ways to reduce costs and that often means poorer standards of service, reduced slots, and extra costs to the customer.

Its survival of the fittest. 10 UK airlines are on the Governments "watched" list for financial problems, so they have to make sure they survive the recession and carry on trading. We forget that our government has increased fuel costs, including aviation fuel, when the price of oil has come down drastically.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:27:18 GMT

Tony, I may have fallen foul of their T&Cs regarding the luggage, but as MO'L has claimed he wants to reduce the number of bags processed,as they effectively pay the handlers by the bag, this T&C is in there purely to raise revenue.

I don't expect a favour, but I don't expect unfair T&Cs either!

Ryanair is in all fairness pretty good if you don't have young family, don't need a bag in the hold, have a Electron card and have a mobile printer. At certain times there are also some very good deals to be done.

Not so good if you don't meet all the above criteria, and often once bitten, twice shy.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:27:28 GMT

Well done Mick! Ryanair has enabled me to ski three time a year plus many other trips, booking well in advance and only with carry on bags keeps cost down about e60-85. The beeb provided priceless advertising for Ryanair! Last week
Mick was checking passangers onto the Dublin Gatwick flight and making announcements on the PA, there are very few CEOs who actually work with in the trenches.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:03:23 GMT

I think it comes down to balance.
I can understand that if you book in advance you can get a cheaper flight and that if you dont want to take lots of luggage then you can save money and i have done this myself on a short break. The company save money on baggage handling and get the plane turned round quicker so everbody wins.

However I feel that where the company started out well they have become victims of there own success and are pushing the concept to extrems whilst loosing sight of the fact that its still people they are dealing with.

I find the whole process of booking a flight very stressfull and feel like im treated like an idiot.
Whilst on my last flight we were forced to que like cattle in a meter wide barrier coridor that snaked round the departure lounge whilst on either side there was lots of space with seats only open to priority booking.
There were numerous staff hovering around (probably left over from the unused check in desks) trying to sell you priority boarding. It was as if they were deliberatrly trying to make you uncomfortable soyou would give in and buy the priority booking just to get some space and a seat. Unacceptable behaviour. Once on the plane there were far too many bags for the overhead lockers and we had to store them under the seats which im sure in an accident would not have been safe. Rather treat me like an Adult tell me the full price and then let me decline services if i want to save money.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:21:28 GMT

You pays your money and you makes your choice.
I have said before I would have paid the extra, if it wasnt much, and fly BA tbh.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:14:45 GMT

LOTA wrote:I don't think the Ryanair experience is all that great but I would not cut my nose off to spite my face by saying I'll NEVER (an awfully long time!) fly with them.

They're not always cheaper but they do fly to destinations that others don't. I can think of Biarritz, Santander, Treviso and Perpignan as places I've been with Ryanair that were not served by other airlines.

I've been with EasyJet, BMI Baby, Go (gone!) and Buzz (buzzed off!) as well as FlyBe; if they're going to the place I want to got to at the right price, I'll fly with them.

Now Aeroflot....don't get me started on Aeroflot )

I am a person of principals and I WILL cut my nose off to spite my face I will pay more with another airline than use that lot, I will not be flying with them again ..... ever ..... :evil:

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:05:01 GMT

Here is a clasic example of why they are not a low cost airline anymore.
I have just tried to book for a weeks skiing in Feb so 4 and half months in advance. Flight out GBP0.00 flight back GBP16.99 with taxes around GBP60 sounds ok but as im going skiing i need to take bags suddenly that GBP60 becomes GBP170.

BA for the same dates and an Airport nearer to where i want to go GBP128.

BA took half the time to look up and book better flight times and a lot less stress all round.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:37:43 GMT

jonah690 wrote:Here is a clasic example of why they are not a low cost airline anymore.
I have just tried to book for a weeks skiing in Feb so 4 and half months in advance. Flight out GBP0.00 flight back GBP16.99 with taxes around GBP60 sounds ok but as im going skiing i need to take bags suddenly that GBP60 becomes GBP170.

BA for the same dates and an Airport nearer to where i want to go GBP128.

BA took half the time to look up and book better flight times and a lot less stress all round.

Thats fine, you win all ends up. If this is the case when I am looking, I will fly BA, and I think most people would given the choice. However, BA often dont go to the places Ryanair do, or on the days they do.
Glad you got sorted though.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:46:07 GMT

Tony, your report was spot on, neither fear nor favour. I thought MOL came out the winner by a street. Panorama had egg on face.
Do you think that your view of Ryanair has changed, from previous postings?

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:03:25 GMT

I am entering this at probably the wrong time, having not really contributed yet but I have a question that I hope wont make Wickers blow his top completely!!

Im looking at flights to Bergamo in Dec for my season and Ryanair are the best option (unfortunatly) as am looking at GBP35 for the flight, GBP40 for skis and inc all other **** probably about GBP100.
My question is because I may be taking 3 pairs of skis do we think they will be THAT anal at the desk with my ski carriage? I have read that it is GBP20 per kg-yes that is right, GBP20 per KG!!!! It is 20kg limit for sports equipment i think.
Have got the Head Monster ski bag so hoping they wont weigh it-esp that early in season-I have never had skis weighed but also never flown with Ryanair when skiing.

Any thoughts?

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:14:57 GMT

rossyhead wrote:do we think they will be THAT anal at the desk with my ski carriage?

Yes, they will.

It will very likely be cheaper to courier your skis to Italy separately rather than try and get them all on.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:17:21 GMT

yeah that is what a guy in glasgow said to me

cheers

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:17:23 GMT

Dave Mac wrote:Tony, your report was spot on, neither fear nor favour. I thought MOL came out the winner by a street. Panorama had egg on face.
Do you think that your view of Ryanair has changed, from previous postings?

The way i have always viewed Ryanair is thus:
They are a cheap airline for getting to certain places I want to go. I tend to use them for trips away which do not involve skiing, and as such my preference would be to use BA on a DIY trip, before they brought in their ski carriage prices.
However, I notmally travel with a TO for a ski trip, and therefore the issue of Ryanair for a ski trip is not particularly relevant for me.
In terms of what they offer for a break to a city or beach destination, they do the job. They get me there efficiently and cheaply. If the price is above a certain level, I simply dont go. I am happy to go somewhere where their prices are cheap at that time and not be too fussy about where it is, or not bother. I dont know how many other people look at trips away like that?
However, if I were given a destination to go to, and the carriers were Ryanair, BA and Easyjet and I had to make a choice, my choice would depend on price mainly. If the prices were not too far apart, BA would get my vote every time, followed by Easyjet, with Ryanair in last place.
They do a job, if you know what I mean.

What I still find bizarre is people who have a prejudice against them because they didnt adhere to the rules when flying with them and ended up out of pocket. As I said before, you cant book without having had to agree to their T&Cs. BBC keep trying to show MOL up for so called hidden charges. They are not hidden, they are clear as day.

I cant respect people choosing not to use them because they feel cheated. But sometimes you have to accept that by trying to bend the rules, you sometimes get caught out.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:24:58 GMT

Admin wrote:

rossyhead wrote:do we think they will be THAT anal at the desk with my ski carriage?

Yes, they will.

It will very likely be cheaper to courier your skis to Italy separately rather than try and get them all on.

Any ideas of companies that would do this? Just someone liek DHL or is there a specific ski carriage company that anyone knows of?

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:29:56 GMT

I have never had my skis weighed by BA (or Air Canada or Jet2). Would not risk it with Ryanair.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:29:59 GMT

Pabs, things may be different this winter, as BA now charge for ski carriage unless it's your only piece of luggage (apparently)!

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:32:19 GMT

right i have been going through some figures here and either i am goign to have to pay GBP120 excess baggage for my skis or only take 2 pairs which leaves me with an awkward decsision!

Have looked at courier companies and if they can quote me anything it is in the hundreds!!

anyone had to do this before?

ps.
sorry for slightly jumping the thread!!

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:12:21 GMT

My first question would be why do you need three pairs of skis?

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:13:56 GMT

http://www.welove2ski.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=b01&featureid=799

Interesting comparison here i came across earlier.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:17:45 GMT

because there is no ski out there that does everything you want-im there for 4 months and if it dumps with snow (which i really hope it does) then ill want my wider off piste skis, if it doesnt ill stay on piste where they are rubbish and want my on piste skis. If i want to get better at jumps in the park (which i do) then ill need my park skis

simple!

interesting link though!

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:21:18 GMT

Where are you going again?

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:21:47 GMT

bormio in italy

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:23:11 GMT

What are your 3 pairs of skis?

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:24:36 GMT

scott RC, 4frnt MSP and dynastar phil larose (old trouble makers)

thinking i may have to get the MSPs remounted nearer centre and just do with two

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:34:05 GMT

Tommy Cooper conversation? :D

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:35:32 GMT

Leave the Dynastars and don't bother getting the MSPs remounted. That's what I would do.

Or buy cheap park skis when you are there. Will be able to pick up a pair for under GBP120.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:36:06 GMT

All sounds a bit complicated to me I just have a pair Vokel Wall twin tips and they seem fine for just about everything.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:38:52 GMT

jonah690 wrote:All sounds a bit complicated to me I just have a pair Vokel Wall twin tips and they seem fine for just about everything.

''Fine'', exactly, not ideal.

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:42:30 GMT

jonah690 wrote:All sounds a bit complicated to me I just have a pair Vokel Wall twin tips and they seem fine for just about everything.

This week I got called a "Gear Whore" by a well respected member of this establishment, just for having (and using) 3 pairs of skis. Looks like I have a fair bit of company :lol:

The Wall twins are a nice ski BTW :thumbup:

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:49:56 GMT

I get told off now when we go away for having a mere 2 pairs of skis.
If only I could swap them both for a pair of Scott Neo's......

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:52:44 GMT

Tony_H wrote:I get told off now when we go away for having a mere 2 pairs of skis.
If only I could swap them both for a pair of Scott Neo's......

I do believe that I saw a pair on ebay today. Not sure of the length new/used though. Should I be telling you this?

:D

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:52:59 GMT

I wonder how Ryanair will react when I turn up with all 5 pairs :twisted:

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:20:43 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:I wonder how Ryanair will react when I turn up with all 5 pairs :twisted:

Ker ching springs to mind

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:27:40 GMT

bandit wrote:

Tony_H wrote:I get told off now when we go away for having a mere 2 pairs of skis.
If only I could swap them both for a pair of Scott Neo's......

I do believe that I saw a pair on ebay today. Not sure of the length new/used though. Should I be telling you this?

:D

oh my god
oh my god
oh my god
oh my god
oh my god

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:29:47 GMT

Tony_H wrote:

bandit wrote:

Tony_H wrote:I get told off now when we go away for having a mere 2 pairs of skis.
If only I could swap them both for a pair of Scott Neo's......

I do believe that I saw a pair on ebay today. Not sure of the length new/used though. Should I be telling you this?

:D

oh my god
oh my god
oh my god
oh my god
oh my god

Here they are, and there are no bids, 5 days left :lol:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Scott-Neo-Skis-166cm-2008-model-with-Scott-S10-Bindings_W0QQitemZ110444648785QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportsLeisure_Skiing_Skis_JN?hash=item19b7039951

:D

Re:Panorama last night - The Ryanair Effect

Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:48:34 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:Leave the Dynastars and don't bother getting the MSPs remounted. That's what I would do.

Or buy cheap park skis when you are there. Will be able to pick up a pair for under GBP120.

yeah depending on my mode of transport there i will do that

although if i could swap the dynastars and the MSPs for the new Kung Fujas I would!!