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Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:38:32 GMT

Hi all,

This is kind of on topic because lots of us drive when going skiing even if only in hire cars from the airport.

Anyway, yesterday I got a letter (in French so I don't fully understand it yet) telling me i was caught on camera speeding on a Swiss motorway (Geneva to Zermatt). The offense was in March 08 yes 08. There were two of us in the car and we were both insured to drive and did take turns so who knows who was driving!

Does anyone have experience of this? I have a feeling if I don't own up and pay up I will get arrested next time I go through Geneva airport which happens to be in two weeks time.

Any ideas?

Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:48:36 GMT

Mike3000 wrote:Hi all,

This is kind of on topic because lots of us drive when going skiing even if only in hire cars from the airport.

Anyway, yesterday I got a letter (in French so I don't fully understand it yet) telling me i was caught on camera speeding on a Swiss motorway (Geneva to Zermatt). The offense was in March 08 yes 08. There were two of us in the car and we were both insured to drive and did take turns so who knows who was driving!

Does anyone have experience of this? I have a feeling if I don't own up and pay up I will get arrested next time I go through Geneva airport which happens to be in two weeks time.

Any ideas?

Not sure what the Swiss laws are like, but in the UK you are entitled to ask for evidence of who was driving. If they cant show it to you, you dont have to own up over here.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:11:26 GMT

Mike,
I don't really know anything about this subject at all, but here are my thoughts on it.

I suppose you could contact someone like the AA, even if you don't belong, and ask them, or the Citizens Advice Bureau, or the car hire firm, to check on the regulations.

How much is the fine? If it's not too much, and you're sure it's genuine, you could just pay it. I daresay, if you were taking it in turns driving, you were probably both speeding, and you were lucky enough to only get caught once! But I don't suppose whoever you were driving with, would be prepared to pay half the fine, unless they're a particularly good friend.

In any case, if it was me, I'd check the regulations first (and get the French properly translated!). It might turn out, for example, that they can't prove it was you but if you pay then you are admitting liability and they might do something else to you as well.

Ally

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:22:55 GMT

Some interesting info here:

http://www.englishforum.ch/transportation-driving/1446-how-do-speeding-fines-work-switzerland.html

I worked in Valais for many years but was lucky not to have been caught speeding. My experience with the Swiss police/authorities suggests not to get on the wrong side of them if at all possible. Is it worth all the worry not to pay the fine?

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:15:19 GMT

Two years ago, I received a letter from the police in Kitsbuhle, stating I had been caught on camera when entering Fieberbrun. I actually remembered seeing the two cops with a radar gun, but hadn't thought I was speeding. We are only talking about 55/50 kph.

I was so proud of getting this fine, I gave my son the gelt, 24 euros. He was heading off to Halstadt for a summer walking holiday, and he duly paid my fine.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:02:53 GMT

Dave Mac wrote:Two years ago, I received a letter from the police in Kitsbuhle, stating I had been caught on camera when entering Fieberbrun. I actually remembered seeing the two cops with a radar gun, but hadn't thought I was speeding. We are only talking about 55/50 kph.

I was so proud of getting this fine, I gave my son the gelt, 24 euros. He was heading off to Halstadt for a summer walking holiday, and he duly paid my fine.

We were talking about speeding in your car, Dave, not on your skis......

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:30:56 GMT

Skiing at 55kph would not not qualify as speeding.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:32:54 GMT

The authorities have your UK address. You will have been given a date by which you should pay the fine. If you ignore it, you will incur interest and an outstanding judgement will be entered against your name, along with the amount unpaid. Last time I enetered GVA all passports from non Schengen arrivals were being checked on computer lists. You would probably get in by road crossing okay. In Switzerland traffic speeding fines do not add up to points on your licence (generally).

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:24:32 GMT

In these days of all paperwork being computer generated, you would think they would have an English version of the letter to send to a UK address :roll: (especially given our pechant for foreign languages) :lol:

Trencher

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:44:32 GMT

Dave Mac wrote:Skiing at 55kph would not not qualify as speeding.

Oooh, double negative.
On some slopes around the world, it would most definitely qualify as speeding, and in fact in America on certain pistes you would be thrown off.

Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:58:57 GMT

Mike3000 wrote:Hi all,

This is kind of on topic because lots of us drive when going skiing even if only in hire cars from the airport.

Anyway, yesterday I got a letter (in French so I don't fully understand it yet) telling me i was caught on camera speeding on a Swiss motorway (Geneva to Zermatt). The offense was in March 08 yes 08. There were two of us in the car and we were both insured to drive and did take turns so who knows who was driving!

Does anyone have experience of this? I have a feeling if I don't own up and pay up I will get arrested next time I go through Geneva airport which happens to be in two weeks time.

Any ideas?

I'd be careful with this one as the bas*ards, sorry Swiss border guards again decided to stop and search my car just over a week ago , not just happy with that they then took both parts of my driving license and ran a search on it, now they might have just taken it away and had a cup of tea and brought it back, but knowing the Swiss they would have ran a check. So if you intend to return to the land of the incredibly rude swiss border control persons I'd consider paying the fine. :evil:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:40:54 GMT

Which crossing were you at Wickers? You do know they have no sense of humour by now, and they have guns :shock: Did you have a Vignette?

Post Schengen, British tourists are now the outsiders in western Europe. Switzerland is not an EU country, but has joined Schengen. We should all expect more of the same, unfortunately.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:43:56 GMT

BTW to Mike 3000, our household does have direct experience of Swiss speeding fines, and we paid up. It's a sport for the swiss citizen, radio stations give out locations of GATSO style cameras and the mobile speed guns, but it's illegal to have a GPS database of camera locations on your Sat Nav in Switzerland, so take care if you have one.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:39:52 GMT

bandit wrote:Which crossing were you at Wickers? You do know they have no sense of humour by now, and they have guns :shock: Did you have a Vignette?

Post Schengen, British tourists are now the outsiders in western Europe. Switzerland is not an EU country, but has joined Schengen. We should all expect more of the same, unfortunately.

I am very polite when I visit other countries and I would expect the same respect back as I give out, now I have to be fair that this guy was not particularly rude but he was on a mission not happy on just searching my car and bags the license check was just taking it too far. I was not using the motorways so I did not require a Vignette but purchased one when I entered back into Switzerland on the home leg of our journey, we entered at Tirano and was then gonna travel a few miles into Switzerland and then back into Italy at the Forcola pass and then onto Livigno, all of which was explained at the border post.
Again if Switzerland are gonna make my family and I unwelcome in their country I just will not travel though or holiday again in Switzerland, by the way at Le Grand st Bernard pass border point about five years ago I was asked many unnecessary questions before I could enter Switzerland and all the time the kn*b had his hand rested on his gun, obviously in an attempt to unnerve, it is just totally unacceptable for Border officers to behave in this way.

Anybody unaware of the schengen treaty here is a link.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:08:31 GMT

How very dramatic Ian.
I drove straight through Switzerland without a single hitch, apart from the stupid German police trying to sell us Vignettes at inflated prices in all sorts of currencies. They thought they were in the East I think.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:14:25 GMT

Again if Switzerland are gonna make my family and I unwelcome in their country I just will not travel though or holiday again in Switzerland, by the way at Le Grand st Bernard pass border point about five years ago I was asked many unnecessary questions before I could enter Switzerland and all the time the kn*b had his hand rested on his gun, obviously in an attempt to unnerve, it is just totally unacceptable for Border officers to behave in this way.

Maybe he was just waiting for the toys that you obviously threw out the pram :twisted:

Jeez, I don't think I have been through a border where the guards aren't pissy. Apart from maybe at Glasgow where the guards are just pissed.

Seriously though, if I stopped visiting the countries where I had been asked many unnecessary questions on entry I don't think I'd leave the EU ever again,

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:15:10 GMT

Tony_H wrote:How very dramatic Ian.
I drove straight through Switzerland without a single hitch, apart from the stupid German police trying to sell us Vignettes at inflated prices in all sorts of currencies. They thought they were in the East I think.

I don't think I'm being over dramatic, I suppose it is a good story, I just believe in people being polite instead of this jobs worth approach that operates on the Swiss borders. 8)

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:28:21 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:

Again if Switzerland are gonna make my family and I unwelcome in their country I just will not travel though or holiday again in Switzerland, by the way at Le Grand st Bernard pass border point about five years ago I was asked many unnecessary questions before I could enter Switzerland and all the time the kn*b had his hand rested on his gun, obviously in an attempt to unnerve, it is just totally unacceptable for Border officers to behave in this way.

Maybe he was just waiting for the toys that you obviously threw out the pram :twisted:

Jeez, I don't think I have been through a border where the guards aren't pissy. Apart from maybe at Glasgow where the guards are just pissed.

Seriously though, if I stopped visiting the countries where I had been asked many unnecessary questions on entry I don't think I'd leave the EU ever again,

As in my previous post I'm very polite and very rarely throw my toys anywhere let alone out of the pram....I just expect in this day and age a little more professionalism in how they do their job,in other countries even Austria they have always been polite, So their decisions to let me through border control without hassle has been totally correct as I can't remember smuggling
anything ever, so it seems poor judgement seems only to apply to the Swiss.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:36:35 GMT

If only our border guards were as interested

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:27:23 GMT

Wickers, in the land that humour forgot, even their own Border Guards stand out as humourless )

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:29:59 GMT

Tony_H wrote:If only our border guards were as interested

I can't believe you would like a good ole boy like me arrested every time I entered Scotland :lol: :lol:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:31:25 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote:

Tony_H wrote:If only our border guards were as interested

I can't believe you would like a good ole boy like me arrested every time I entered Scotland :lol: :lol:

I always knew deep down, that you were old :D

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:35:48 GMT

bandit wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:

Tony_H wrote:If only our border guards were as interested

I can't believe you would like a good ole boy like me arrested every time I entered Scotland :lol: :lol:

I always knew deep down, that you were old :D

At least you didn't follow old with "git" 8)

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:38:26 GMT

bandit wrote:Wickers, in the land that humour forgot, even their own Border Guards stand out as humourless )

I don't want them to tell me gags, just be polite. :evil:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:52:06 GMT

Back to the speeding question,though i do have my own experiences of the Swiss way of dealing with the public....

I have read through a google search that if you were more than 30kph over the limit they can fine you 20% of your net income.

If it was a matter of paying GBP100 I would pay up and take it on the chin but 20% of net income?

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:54:08 GMT

Doesn't the letter tell you how much the fine is? What a strange letter.

Ally

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:52:49 GMT

Talking of Switzerland.....

Zermatt or Saas Fee for this weekend?

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:45:06 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote: I was asked many unnecessary questions before I could enter Switzerland and all the time the kn*b had his hand rested on his gun, obviously in an attempt to unnerve, it is just totally unacceptable for Border officers to behave in this way.

Can I suggest you dont try crossing any land borders in Africa? )

In Senegal I was told I wasn't smartly enough dressed [after spending 6 hours in the back of an open truck to get to the border] and in Guinea-Bissau it appeared to be an offence not to speak Portuguese!

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:50:59 GMT

Typically the speeding fine letter will contain 2 elements. 1st a charge notice from your hire company to you, for them taking the time to tell the Swiss police how to find you :evil: . Secondly there is usually what looks like a bank slip, in orange or red, and this will have the price of your fine on it.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:52:41 GMT

tino_11 wrote:Talking of Switzerland.....

Zermatt or Saas Fee for this weekend?

Have you done Saas Fee? I would go Saas Fee if you haven't.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:52:44 GMT

Wickers, they probably thought you were smuggling meat into Switzerland. It's big business as meat is pricey, hence there are lots of supermarkets...just over each border crossing )

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:23:42 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:

tino_11 wrote:Talking of Switzerland.....

Zermatt or Saas Fee for this weekend?

Have you done Saas Fee? I would go Saas Fee if you haven't.

Good advice.

Saas Fee it is, faster to get to, somewhere new, couple of runs in the mornings, bit of photography in the afternoon and cow fighting on Sunday!!

http://www.saas-fee.ch/wetter/infotext_ringkuhkampf09_e.pdf

:shock:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:00:06 GMT

bandit wrote:Typically the speeding fine letter will contain 2 elements. 1st a charge notice from your hire company to you, for them taking the time to tell the Swiss police how to find you :evil: . Secondly there is usually what looks like a bank slip, in orange or red, and this will have the price of your fine on it.

Seem to be very experienced with speeding fines......had many????? :D

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:01:31 GMT

bandit wrote:Wickers, they probably thought you were smuggling meat into Switzerland. It's big business as meat is pricey, hence there are lots of supermarkets...just over each border crossing )

Bandit please keep up, I know longer work for the supermarket chain 8)

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:10:35 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote:

bandit wrote:Wickers, they probably thought you were smuggling meat into Switzerland. It's big business as meat is pricey, hence there are lots of supermarkets...just over each border crossing )

Bandit please keep up, I know longer work for the supermarket chain 8)

Hows the new job going Ian? I went to the grand opening and a tour round of the place that I am going to work.....wow its so nice I cant wait to get started.

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:14:29 GMT

RoseR wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:

bandit wrote:Wickers, they probably thought you were smuggling meat into Switzerland. It's big business as meat is pricey, hence there are lots of supermarkets...just over each border crossing )

Bandit please keep up, I know longer work for the supermarket chain 8)

Hows the new job going Ian? I went to the grand opening and a tour round of the place that I am going to work.....wow its so nice I cant wait to get started.

Ok Rose thanks, I'm doing four week induction at the moment, getting used to different systems, people are friendly but I just want to get into my store :wink:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:43:35 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote:

bandit wrote:Typically the speeding fine letter will contain 2 elements. 1st a charge notice from your hire company to you, for them taking the time to tell the Swiss police how to find you :evil: . Secondly there is usually what looks like a bank slip, in orange or red, and this will have the price of your fine on it.

Seem to be very experienced with speeding fines......had many????? :D

Actually, one is enough :evil:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:51:19 GMT

bandit wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:

bandit wrote:Typically the speeding fine letter will contain 2 elements. 1st a charge notice from your hire company to you, for them taking the time to tell the Swiss police how to find you :evil: . Secondly there is usually what looks like a bank slip, in orange or red, and this will have the price of your fine on it.

Seem to be very experienced with speeding fines......had many????? :D

Actually, one is enough :evil:

I have got caught in the past with 40's in a 30...never been caught for the big ones though...touch wood :shock:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:01:51 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote:

bandit wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:

bandit wrote:Typically the speeding fine letter will contain 2 elements. 1st a charge notice from your hire company to you, for them taking the time to tell the Swiss police how to find you :evil: . Secondly there is usually what looks like a bank slip, in orange or red, and this will have the price of your fine on it.

Seem to be very experienced with speeding fines......had many????? :D

Actually, one is enough :evil:

I have got caught in the past with 40's in a 30...never been caught for the big ones though...touch wood :shock:

Wickers, the speed cameras in Switzerland, are good for generating revenue. This means that you can have 2 or 3 different speed limits in the same couple of km's, with no notice of the changes before you're in the "zone". A camera will be placed to catch the folk that can't figure out just what speed limit applies there and then. Kerching :evil:
Additionally, immediate speed reductions can apply at congested areas or roadworks, and cameras respond accordingly. Kerching :evil:

Get the idea :roll:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:10:38 GMT

bandit wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:

bandit wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:

bandit wrote:Typically the speeding fine letter will contain 2 elements. 1st a charge notice from your hire company to you, for them taking the time to tell the Swiss police how to find you :evil: . Secondly there is usually what looks like a bank slip, in orange or red, and this will have the price of your fine on it.

Seem to be very experienced with speeding fines......had many????? :D

Actually, one is enough :evil:

I have got caught in the past with 40's in a 30...never been caught for the big ones though...touch wood :shock:

Wickers, the speed cameras in Switzerland, are good for generating revenue. This means that you can have 2 or 3 different speed limits in the same couple of km's, with no notice of the changes before you're in the "zone". A camera will be placed to catch the folk that can't figure out just what speed limit applies there and then. Kerching :evil:
Additionally, immediate speed reductions can apply at congested areas or roadworks, and cameras respond accordingly. Kerching :evil:

Get the idea :roll:

Yes it's not rocket science you drive to a maximum of 10% over the speed limit,taking into consideration that car speedos are approx. 10% inaccurate you should never get caught....unless you are not aware of speed limits on foreign roads....but that would be silly 8)

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:31:05 GMT

Ian,
I'm afraid that doesn't make sense, unless you're assuming that YOUR speedo is the only one that's not inaccurate at all.

I asked our local police force - Dyfed Powys Police - about their tolerances on speeding, and they said their cameras are set to 10% plus 2 mph, but an individual policeman with a 'gun' can book you for doing only 2 mph over the limit, and that different police forces have different tolerances, so you'd have to know what these were for each area, and where the boundaries were.

I am very careful not to speed, ever, and the only time I do it is when I've accidentally got confused because the limits keep changing on the same piece of road, but I've never been caught - yet!

Ally

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 9 Aug 2009 06:58:02 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote:taking into consideration that car speedos are approx. 10% inaccurate you should never get caught....

How old is your car? 8) speedos are legally permitted to over-read by up to 10% (but not to under-read, at all) - modern cars are / should be pretty accurate.

The speedos in cars I've driven / ridden in recently were within 1 or 2mph of the GPS (on flat, straight roads) at any speed.

Go carefully - especially with French Autoroute limits being lowered in some areas lately... :shock:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:04:23 GMT

speedos are legally permitted

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 9 Aug 2009 08:59:15 GMT

I would think even a sat nav system wouldn't be totally accurate if you were going up and down hills (or mountains) because the mapping must be only 2-D.

So I rather think that means you'd be going faster than your sat nav system said, in the mountains, because you'd be travelling a greater distance, something like the hypotenuse on a triangle, and speed equals distance over time. But I've always been very bad at maths so I'd have to think about it.

I have noticed that my new Tom Tom says I'm going about 2 mph slower than I'd estimate using my speedo, on the flat. And I have a newish car (4 years old).

Ally

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:58:15 GMT

Admin wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:taking into consideration that car speedos are approx. 10% inaccurate you should never get caught....

How old is your car? 8) speedos are legally permitted to over-read by up to 10% (but not to under-read, at all) - modern cars are / should be pretty accurate.

The speedos in cars I've driven / ridden in recently were within 1 or 2mph of the GPS (on flat, straight roads) at any speed.

Go carefully - especially with French Autoroute limits being lowered in some areas lately... :shock:

2007 so coming three years, my comparisons are made between my speedo and the Tom tom and it seems to work out at a 10% difference, the french are much more civilised with their speed cameras I suppose they do not view them as a money making exercise, what I like about our french cousins is that if they put up a motor way sign warning of a speed camera you can be dam sure that there will be one.
As for the mobile guys only saw two for the whole duration of my 17 day holiday, perhaps I was driving too fast !!! but seriously it is one of the reasons I have my Tom tom on all the time in Europe it continuously reminds me if I am driving too fast . 8)

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:00:03 GMT

Pablo Escobar wrote:

speedos are legally permitted

Oooiii you Columbian tea leaf have you been raiding my iphoto's..... :wink:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:28:51 GMT

Ian Wickham wrote:

Admin wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:taking into consideration that car speedos are approx. 10% inaccurate you should never get caught....

How old is your car? 8) speedos are legally permitted to over-read by up to 10% (but not to under-read, at all) - modern cars are / should be pretty accurate.

The speedos in cars I've driven / ridden in recently were within 1 or 2mph of the GPS (on flat, straight roads) at any speed.

Go carefully - especially with French Autoroute limits being lowered in some areas lately... :shock:

2007 so coming three years, my comparisons are made between my speedo and the Tom tom and it seems to work out at a 10% difference, the french are much more civilised with their speed cameras I suppose they do not view them as a money making exercise, what I like about our french cousins is that if they put up a motor way sign warning of a speed camera you can be dam sure that there will be one.
As for the mobile guys only saw two for the whole duration of my 17 day holiday, perhaps I was driving too fast !!! but seriously it is one of the reasons I have my Tom tom on all the time in Europe it continuously reminds me if I am driving too fast . 8)

Wickers, does your Tom Tom have a speed cameras database?

We use a Blaupunkt Sat Nav, plus a couple of InfoRad's. Between them, they get most of the fixed stuff. Naturally, a little creativity is needed for Switzerland :D We don't go fast, but particularly in Switzerland it's often hard to tell what the speed limit is on the motorway, as it's constantly changing. Swiss Border police will confiscate Sat Nav's with camera databases or GPS based camera detectors :roll:

Re:Speeding in Switzerland

Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:21:51 GMT

bandit wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:

Admin wrote:

Ian Wickham wrote:taking into consideration that car speedos are approx. 10% inaccurate you should never get caught....

How old is your car? 8) speedos are legally permitted to over-read by up to 10% (but not to under-read, at all) - modern cars are / should be pretty accurate.

The speedos in cars I've driven / ridden in recently were within 1 or 2mph of the GPS (on flat, straight roads) at any speed.

Go carefully - especially with French Autoroute limits being lowered in some areas lately... :shock:

2007 so coming three years, my comparisons are made between my speedo and the Tom tom and it seems to work out at a 10% difference, the french are much more civilised with their speed cameras I suppose they do not view them as a money making exercise, what I like about our french cousins is that if they put up a motor way sign warning of a speed camera you can be dam sure that there will be one.
As for the mobile guys only saw two for the whole duration of my 17 day holiday, perhaps I was driving too fast !!! but seriously it is one of the reasons I have my Tom tom on all the time in Europe it continuously reminds me if I am driving too fast . 8)

Wickers, does your Tom Tom have a speed cameras database?

We use a Blaupunkt Sat Nav, plus a couple of InfoRad's. Between them, they get most of the fixed stuff. Naturally, a little creativity is needed for Switzerland :D We don't go fast, but particularly in Switzerland it's often hard to tell what the speed limit is on the motorway, as it's constantly changing. Swiss Border police will confiscate Sat Nav's with camera databases or GPS based camera detectors :roll:

Yep, mine has a speed camera database and he ( The jobs worth border guard ) at least was not interested in that, I guess it could have been very embarrassing for him if he was seen to not be able to get me on anything apart from having a speed camera database. I might even have been able to do him for harassment :evil: