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Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 16 May 2007 02:16:43 GMT

We are bombarded with all sorts of numbers. Codes for this and that. Id numbers for passes. Passeport number! Etc......

Car registration, Swiss bank account number!!!!!!

There are five, only five numbers that all skiers must know cold! If I had it my way all skiers before they were given a day ski pass should be given a test to see if they knew these numbers!

These are vital numbers like your date of birth, first car, marriage date, so think hard skiers.

It is these numbers that seperate the "committed skier" from the "sampler"!

It is these numbers that show the truly knowledgeable skier!

It is these numbers that give skiers peace of mind! Once you will find out these numbers you wiil understand.

So fellow skiers I give you one week to provide the five magic numbers ALL skiers should know.

To the first skier that gets all five I will give a polarfleece jacket!

Have fun.

PS
For you well "educated" skiers these numbers are nominal, some interval and one is the product of the Gaussian distribution! Hope I have wet your intellectual appetit!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 16 May 2007 02:43:37 GMT

The first four seem easy(so I'll wait on those), but the fifth, what might have a bell curve ?....

The number of falls in a season ?
The amount of equipment I've bought ?
The number of times I use my season pass ?
The number of my post on j2ski

Trencher

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 16 May 2007 10:14:37 GMT

1, Number of the piste with umbrella bar at the bottom
2, Time of the last lift to get to the piste with the umbrella bar at the bottom
3, PIN number for money to spend at umbrella bar
4, Number of strikes with hammer to sink nail into tree log at umbrella bar (an Austrian thing)
5, Number of apparently free drinks 'miene host' gives out at umbrella bar before presenting the bill.

Obviously all after a thorougly hard day of intensive and well executed skiing :thumbup:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 17 May 2007 13:06:08 GMT

My DIN settings
The Girlfriends DIN settings

Really really important numbers

Thu, 17 May 2007 22:03:18 GMT

Fellows, fellows ( since no women has answered yet), I am talking about really, really important numbers here!

The kind that you should have engraved on your skis or jacket. The kind that will make your skiing happy and safe!

The kind that you can post on those "encounter" internet sites so that you can "impress" the other.

Let me give you a taste.

When you buy a car you look at the horsepower. When you buy a ski you look at.......

When you look at the women, you look at the figure
( 36-24-26) " When you look up new skis you look at........

When you buy a fly fishing rod you look at its wip potential. When you buy a ski you want the .........

When you buy a house you look at the initial price, taxes, legal fees, etc.. When you want the best ski deal you look at...... ( yes here is your Gaussian index Trencher)

Finally when you buy a high performance tire ( or tyre) you want its speed rating ie Z! When you buy a ski you absolutely must know its........rating!

Have fun.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 18 May 2007 12:45:05 GMT

I reckon here's 3 of them. Just got to match the number to the suggestion and find two more.

164cm

12.2m

122mm/65mm/101mm

The magic number man!

Fri, 18 May 2007 23:35:27 GMT

Ellistine.

No bad , not bad for a "recent" convert to this sport.

For the uninitiated you should identify what those numbers mean!

Now think about your house and all the "considerations" you made before buying it!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 20 May 2007 14:38:03 GMT

There is a no better quiz than a Pavel quiz !!!!! They get you thinking and keep the ski season going all year !!! And when all others have moved onto their golf season we are still on the slopes - even if only in mind !!!

I have found that I tend to use the shot gun approach to Pavel's quizzes and sometimes I get closer to the answer and at others I spiral really far away.

So Pavel, here is my first blast from the shot gun!

The important numbers ...

1, ski length
2, ski side cut profile,
3, the ski's stiffness flex index
4, the purchase's anticipated enjoyment index (1 = so so, and 10 = WOW!)
5, the edge bevel angle giving that sure footed solid handling.

But there are other numbers too that are important.

1, time to get to the ski hill in minutes from home
2, the time the first chair leaves the bottom
3, lunch time as the wife may like to dine and get warmed up
4, the time to set the alarm clock for an early morning departure - synchronized to items 1 & 2 above.
5, the time the ski hill closes for the day.

Oh, how I've missed "The Springtime Pavel Quiz" !!!

Mike :P

Mike, the expert

Sun, 20 May 2007 22:47:07 GMT

That is not fair Mike!

You are an expert "quiz" man having won a pair of skis, various ski jackets, etc...

Do not give Ellistine all your secrets.

We have to make him work for his gear!

He has not yet learnt your "strategies" in getting me to give you more hints!

Yes you got most of the answers by your effective strategies!

The last number on my list is the most important. it will save you all a great deal of money once you discover what it is!

Mike you bring out the "competitive" nature in me!

So here it is!

I challenge anyone to get all answers and I will give to this person a new pair of Rossignol Mutix 165 cm. skis.
(gulp)!!!!!!
OK OK I am on record so be it.

Now if some soul feels I will change the answers, I am willing to place answers in sealed envelope and send to site administrator!

This "quiz" will last 3 weeks starting today Sunday May 20 and end on June 10th!

Think,,,

Sleepless nights begin.

Oh,,,,, the skis have a plate and competition bindings on them!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 20 May 2007 23:49:36 GMT

Pavelski wrote:Now think about your house and all the "considerations" you made before buying it!

Ours was - it had to be detached for my suround sound system and the Girfriend wanted a large garden. I'm struggling to make that work with the skis.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 21 May 2007 00:01:07 GMT

Pavelski wrote:The last number on my list is the most important. it will save you all a great deal of money once you discover what it is!

I don't know if this is the number you are on about but it's the number that would have saved me the most money - 3 = expensive, 4 = cheap. I bought Salomon Streetracer 10's in March for GBP400 and they were GBP270 in April. Unfortunately I'm the sort that will wake up and decide that today we shall be mainly buying skis and once that dicision is made then it must be executed as quickly as possible. My number was 3 - GBP400.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 21 May 2007 00:41:53 GMT

Now I live in Nova Scotia, Canada not in Seattle, Washington but that movie that was called "Sleepless in Seattle" could very easily be renamed "Sleepless in Nova Scotia" when a Pavel Quiz is made known !!! I had forgotten about the sleepless nights and had just focused on the continuation of the ski season. But the plus side to the sleepless nights is that following an evening of complete puzzlement in search for the answer with fewest blasts from my shot gun (have you priced amo lately?) is that the lighter state of sleep permits you to have many dreams of the perfect run.

I know Pavel dreams of trips down Rogue Angle in Sunday River and at Martock in NS I dream of trips down a trail they call Glades. I almost digressed on: how good one particular trip was this past winter :-) !!!

Be assured if Pavel offers a great prize, such as these Rossignol skis, and you are the first to answer correctly - then they are as good as yours!!!

I would like to edit my #4 number choice to include with the WOW factor make up, the number which relates the cost of a season pass to your favorite hill. The pass is a requirement for a "well planned season - our future needs". And all passes can save you a great bundle of money!! The pass for Martock will pay for itself in 3 days at the hill. You could enjoy the new ski purchase for almost for free for the entire winter. A great saving indeed.

Oh what a quizz !!! Oh what fun!!!

If you look at www.martock.com you will find some clips of the trails in a virtual mode. Now remember this is a small hill in some regards but it is a really nice place to spend some quality ski time - even in the summer months!!

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 21 May 2007 09:59:52 GMT

Unfortunately there isn't much call for season tickets amongst us Brits!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 21 May 2007 13:11:32 GMT

Ellistine,

If not for the season pass scheme skiing here could become very expensive.

At a small hill such as Martock or Wentworth (both within an easy drive from Halifax, NS) the daily lift ticket (excluding taxes) might be in the area of $30 CDN / day. Martock's season pass is selling for $109.95 CDN before the end of June when it increases a bit. Wentworth is a bit more expensive but still a saving.

If you are at all considering a winter vacation to this part of the world and plan to ski a week, then it might save you a few dollars to look into purchasing a season pass to the hill you may plan to ski.... Most resorts and smaller hills offer season passes. Some serve many hills for the one pass.

And when Pavel suggested the number which is the most important on his list would save you money --- well, the savings of the season pass sprung to mind! The skiing experience costs, just like the home purchase, can be made up of many items. The skis are obvious but if we don't have a place to use them they become a really nice conversation piece.

Last winter I had only 15 days (22 the previous year) and at the daily rate it would have cost about $450 but with last year's pass (selling at $99.) there was a saving that covered the even more than the cost of gasloline to get to the hill ! My cost / run rounded out at about $.58. Savings just help make the ski experience even more fun !!!

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 21 May 2007 14:01:20 GMT

I suppose If I planned to return for a second week to the same same ski area, perhaps an anual pass would be worth considering.

Thanks.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:28 GMT

ellistine wrote:I suppose If I planned to return for a second week to the same same ski area, perhaps an anual pass would be worth considering.

Thanks.

Absolutely !!! And this is the time of year for getting the best deals... so if you are planning to be anywhere where they offer season passes it might be really worth looking into it. Now, do you see why a Pavel Quizz is so exciting? We have brought about the thoughts of planning a ski trip, just because we were thinking of answers for his great Rossi skis!!! The, aaaaaa ... snowball effect !!

Mike :D

Ellistine and Mike

Tue, 22 May 2007 01:36:44 GMT

What a duo you two would make on ski hill!

Ellistine, Mike was yu three years ago.

Imagine he asked me if he could use candle wax for skis!!! I quickly realized he needed reason help, so I began an in-service training of this "new" skier!

Great man! Nice and kind!

There are some rumors about his skiing!!!!

Now back to quiz!

You must give figures AND their meaning!

Not just 548 or 64.7

Sleep on it tonight!

Just five figures for a new pair of Mutix 165 cm skis.

Five figures you will never ever forget!

Five figures that launch you to the 95 percentile ranking!

Dream on!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 22 May 2007 09:02:01 GMT

This is starting to annoy me now! The cat woke me up at 4:30am this morning and I never made it back to sleep once I started thinking about the 5 bloomin magic numbers.

I can think of five meaningful numbers but I don't think any of them are of the 'ski feel' - 'Use the force Luke' enlightenment that Pavel is refering to :D .

My 5 are;

Ski Length = 164cm
Am I new to sking and therefore think that extra ski length is just more to have to turn or have I 'seen a few pistes in my time' and think that skis under 190cm are what 12 year old boys ski on. More accuratety, am I Georgio Rocca or Michael Walchoffer.

Radius = 12.2m
This, according to who you speak to, is either the skis natural turning radius or the radius of the Arc of the side cut. I personaly think it's the latter although interestingly (depending on what you find interesting!) the Rossi Mutix quote 2 radius depending on which stiffeners are attached but obviously without the sidecut or length changing.

Width = 122mm/65mm/101mm
The Width of the ski measured at the Tip, middle and the tail. These figures define the shape of the sidecut and hence it's radius or turning ability. You can also play trumps with them - "Tip measurement 122mm - damn you beat me, mines 120mm" etc.

Edge Bevel Angle = 1.5 (soon to be 3) degrees.
Do I want Bridgestone Potenza levels of g-force inducing grip or more of a 'Driving Miss Daisy' whitewall affair with plenty of slide.

DIN Settings = 6.5
Have I been enjoying my pies too much, am I likely to 'drop in' of a 100ft cliff, how much do I value my knees, how much is it going to hurt if my skis suddenly pop off. Crucial safety settings for your bindings to help to make sure you are never the first onto the plane home (in the wheelchair).

Like I said, I think I'm missing Pavels magic number. None of these will save me money. It's probably something to do with the VFM (Value for Money) ie knowing that this years ski is the same as last years ski but with the new 'that's like, soo cool dude' graphics.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 22 May 2007 16:31:38 GMT

Ellistine;

I can see exactly what Pavel meant when he said you art like I was a few years ago. The sleepless nights during the Pavel Springtime Quizz period, the frustratioin in puzzlement of what he is after, the obvious answers which don't seem to be correct, and above all your justification and explaination of the answers in hopes that Pavel will see the wisdom in the answer and amend his own answer to bring acceptance of yours. Been there - done that!!! Oh ... what fun !!!

One reply I offered for a quizz question even brought Pavel's wife to his computer room at home ... to see what was so funny. I think your reply may have done the same today.

I too have given more thought to the answers for the 2007 Quizz. It has been so long since I've studied statistical probabilty and Gaussian distributions that it would take deeper thought than I could muster to delve into the deep hint burried there. But the hint that tells me much is that of not letting someone on the lift without knowledge of these numbers. Therefore along with all the obvious answers of ski costs and specifications there are 10 numbers which are very important as issued by the Canadian Ski Patrol and of these 10 numbers I find it difficult to single out the most important 5. These of course the 10 points of the Alpine Code of Responsibility. So the gun is loaded and my finger on the trigger.

BANG !

By being mindful and following these code items we will save a lot of money and enjoy skiing even more. We will be safe and able to return for another day of the great activity of skiing.

Therefore....

#1. Always stay in control and be able to stop or avoid other people and objects. (money saved !)

#2 People ahead of you have the right away - its your responsibility to avoid them (In broad terms #1 says the same thing.)

#3 You must not stop where you obstruct a trail or where not visible from above. (more money saved and safe too.)

#4 Whenever starting downhill or merginging into a trail, look uphill and yield to others. (Safe and wise actions always save money!)

#5 If involved in (or whitness) a collision - stay put and speak with Ski Patrol.

#6 Always use proper devices to prevent runaway equipment. (Now tell me that doesn't save money and potentially other accidents.)

#7 Observe posted signs and warnings.

#8 Keep off closed trails and out of closed areas. (There is good reasoning here but where's the fun in that?)

#9 You must not use lifts of terrain if your ability is impaired through use of alcohol or drugs. (Just like driving or operating machinery - it just isn't a good idea...)

#10. Prior to using any lift, you must have the knowledge and ability to load and ride, and unload safely.

So of these 10 numbers, I think #'s 1, 3, 4, 6 and 9 are the 5 most important. The other 5 are hopefully common sense and common courtesy which society should expect from others. These are no doubt important but to meet what I think is Pavel's intent here the ones I mentioned seem more fitting to me. .... as I sprial out into space !!!
Mike

Elistine and Mike

Thu, 24 May 2007 17:43:58 GMT

Now here is a dangerous couple Mike and Ellistine. You could ask all the "dangerous" questions.

As far as quiz , you must give numbers AND what they mean in order to win the skis.

Ho sleepless nights Mike!!!

Ho how great those Rossis Mutix would feel in the alps Ellistine!

You can do it just think!!!!!

Pavel

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 18:48:31 GMT

Do I have any of them right?

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 19:03:45 GMT

ellistine wrote:Do I have any of them right?

Ellistine ... you are learning all about the Pavel Springtime Quiz !!! You are also learning how Pavel gets his jollies during the off season (aka the non snowy part of the ski season...). He lives quite a distance from me but if I llisten closely I can hear him laughing with joy at our frustration... (but only in a good way - of course).

Part of the quizz is keeping us confused; we each have given some careful thought and made our best stabs but we don't know how close nor how far off the mark we are. And then Pavel - the Quizmaster dangles those great Rossignol skis at us just to keep us going. He's a person with a ture knowledge of mankind!!

I have to put on one of our ballroom dance events tonight so I'll be thinking about numbers as I play disc #16 - track 2 ... This happens to be the Boyzone tune - "No Matter What" which we play as a rumba.

Mike

Isn't this great fun !!!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 19:05:28 GMT

Time for a new approach!

As a Brit, time spent amongst the skiing fraternity is extremely limited. In fact I have only ever had a grand total of 31 days of skiing on snow without a roof on it.

Because of this, help is very often needed to learn the finer details of this magical sport.

Pavel - I need Help :roll:

From a fellow Commonwealther - what ever that's supposed to mean.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 19:15:33 GMT

ellistine wrote:Time for a new approach!

As a Brit, time spent amongst the skiing fraternity is extremely limited. In fact I have only ever had a grand total of 31 days of skiing on snow without a roof on it.

Because of this, help is very often needed to learn the finer details of this magical sport.

Pavel - I need Help :roll:

From a fellow Commonwealther - what ever that's supposed to mean.

Ahhh the plea for another hint !!! Pavel has seen this before too!

Actually I could use one of those as well.

But this time I haven't YET reverted to the internet for help. Ellistine, there was one quizz that I thought all I needed to do was search the net. HA ! That didn't help at all. Can you see what I mean? Your answers look perfect and my attempt at another approach didn't come close either. So where do we go from here???

Hang in there, these Mutix skis are something else and at 165 should turn like a hot knife in soft butter!

Mike :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 19:20:35 GMT

I've even scoured all Pavel's previous threads but to no avail. I'll just have to find an even bigger box to try and think outside off.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 19:32:00 GMT

ellistine wrote:I've even scoured all Pavel's previous threads but to no avail. I'll just have to find an even bigger box to try and think outside off.

Me too ! The bigger the box the better sometimes.

But with this note I'll take another crack at it:

#1 ... -5C meaning the most comfortable skiing temperature for me

#2 ... 0knts. meaning no wind and therefore no wind chill

#3 ... 10 pm meaning the time the ski hill (Martock) closes for the day. You need to know when to leave

#4.... 20 cms meaning snow coverage .. knowing the ground and snow coverage you're skiing may prevent costly ski damage and therefore save you money - if you know where the coverage is too thin.

#5 ... 8:30am meaning the time when the sun position may cause flat light and difficult ski conditions - dependant on the particular hill of couses. Knowing what to expect may help make the skiing safer --OKAY this one is a reach...

Mike
:P

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 21:02:35 GMT

Pavel, oh Pavel.

I'm trying to think less about skiing over the summer months not more!

Are we talking about numbers relating to the skis themselves or skiing in general?

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 21:16:26 GMT

ellistine wrote:Pavel, oh Pavel.

I'm trying to think less about skiing over the summer months not more!

Are we talking about numbers relating to the skis themselves or skiing in general?

You know, Ellistine, Pavel is loving this !!!

I saw you were on line so thought I would ask if you ever have gone to the Blackpool Dance Festival? I think it takes place next week. My wife and I and some friends were there in 1994. And of course toured the Tower Ballroom and the tower itself. Also toured the Lake District and spent a week in London. We had a great time!

Mike :-)

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 21:57:25 GMT

Mike from NS wrote:I saw you were on line so thought I would ask if you ever have gone to the Blackpool Dance Festival?

Having lived all my life in an English Seaside resort I've never really felt the urge to visit some of the others around our coast - I know I probably should. As for dancing, blimey, I remember when I was at junior school I was quite ill for a while with a form of meningitis. I was off school for about 6 weeks plus for another 6 weeks I was excused from the compulsory 'country dancing' lessons. That pleased me greatly :-)

125cm = Pole Length?

To be honest at the time I think it was probably more to do with having to dance with Girls. Funny how things change as you get older!

Insurance Policy Number?

Yes the Lake Districts are lovely. I have an Aunty who lives there so I've visited the lakes quite a lot. I remember having to ride my mountain bike back to her house for about 20miles, stood up, having snapped the seat post decending one of the mountains. For somereason we also thought it best to take cans of Ginger beer with us. Again, funny how things change as you get older.

5 - Levels of ski ability (although looking on various sites it's more like 9)

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 22:30:48 GMT

[Yes we change and hopefully for ther better.

My dancing only began after I was married... my mother wouldn't know me now!

My wife's cousin lived in Weymouth for a time. Is there an area called St George's Hill in Weymouth or is that in Glouster? We visited in '94 by taking the Bakerloo line to Waterloo and a train past Wimbledon to their place. Last name was Hepher.

More numbers from Mike:

1 Side bevel in degrees

0 Base bevel in degrees

23-13-445 A number like my phnoe number in case of emergency

10 number of minutes for the chair lift to get to the top

51 the number of runs I've accomplished in one day - so far !

Mike :D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 24 May 2007 22:41:09 GMT

Mike wrote:Is there an area called St George's Hill in Weymouth

No, Greenhill perhaps? There's an awful lot of King George Links in Weymouth as it was him who made sea bathing fashionable.

The line from Waterloo station ends in Weymouth and does indeed go past Wimbledon

2004 = Zell Am See, Austria. The first time I stepped into a pair of skis?

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 25 May 2007 05:45:11 GMT

The line from Waterloo station ends in Weymouth and does indeed go past Wimbledon

Yes I now do recall the line ending and going for a train. Does Weybridge sound anywhere close to correct? You see we have now two quizzes going !!

But some more numbers:

$35 --- the amount saved each time by tuning the skis (ourselves) as Pavel has taught us.

6.5 --- my DIN setting

6.75 --- the appproximate number of months left to assess my needs for the next ski seasson and prepare for that season by taking care of and maintaining all the gear, season pass purchases, new gear purchases, getting knees scoped or knees replaced, etc.

165 --- the length of the Mutix Rossignol skis which Pavel has set out as the prize for the quizz.

125 --- my pole length too!!!

Now if you noticed the time of this post you will see that I am having a sleepless night Pavel!!!

Oh - but what fun... :!:

Mike :shock:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 25 May 2007 09:14:23 GMT

Mike from NS wrote:Does Weybridge sound anywhere close to correct

Weybridge is an area near London that is also on the Weymouth to Waterloo line.

2 = Number of skis required to, um, ski!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 25 May 2007 12:49:53 GMT

{2 = Number of skis required to, um, ski}!

GOOD ANSWER !!!!
I was thinking along the same line too !!

Like:

4 - the number of edges

2 & 1 - the number of tracks down the hill (depending upon the skier's ability to ski edge to edge (arc to arc )

8 - the total number of buckles on the ski boots

4 ( again) the maximum capacity on a quad lift chair

3.1415926535926 or PI being the meaning for lunch time

(One extra number this time as there may be one that isn't quite correct!

The flight path for Gatwick passes over my wife's cousin's place.

Mike :roll:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 25 May 2007 13:51:26 GMT

The flight path for Gatwick passes over my wife's cousin's place.

That'll definately be Weybridge then and not Weymouth. We don't see much in the way of those new fangled flying machines around here - plenty of tractors mind.

3 = Number of pairs of skis you can fit into one bag to avoid paying even more carriage on flights. Might need to remove a binding or two though.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 25 May 2007 19:32:15 GMT

ellistine wrote:

The flight path for Gatwick passes over my wife's cousin's place.

That'll definately be Weybridge then and not Weymouth. We don't see much in the way of those new fangled flying machines around here - plenty of tractors mind.

3 = Number of pairs of skis you can fit into one bag to avoid paying even more carriage on flights. Might need to remove a binding or two though.

Well that's one puzzel solved now if we could come up with Pavel's magic numbers .....

How about;

12 - the number of ski patrollers on duty at one time

6 -- the number of lift attendants on duty at one time

4 - the number of girls tending the lunch counter / shift

5 - the number of people tending the lift ticket counter

1 - the bar keep ... usually John - a rather nice guy!

More thought and sleepless nights soome to come :cry:

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 26 May 2007 02:19:04 GMT

Well Ellistine it is about 1 am in Weymouth as I write this; offering yet another combination of numbers for Pavel's consideration. You are no doubt dreaming of numbers right now for your next reply.

So here is another set from me...

12 ... the 12th month - December when our ski hill opens for the season

10 ... the 10th day of the opening month ie.; the date of the first day of the season

07 .... representing the year 2007 for which the frist two numbers (above) relate and combine to give the date mm/dd/yyyy for the first day of the 2007 season

900 ... representing 9:00 am which is when the first chair will depart the base of the hill on the above date --- this will be the official start of the 2007 season -- to the minute !!!

97 ... the number of ski days in th fully open ski season (for our hill) for which the opening day and time is given above !!!

So by knowing these things (ie facts related to numbers) we can plan our season for next winter and in that planing be safe, confident, happy and save money if we plan it correctly!!

Mike :lol:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 26 May 2007 11:49:34 GMT

Mike wrote:when our ski hill opens for the season

Here's a link to 'my hill'. Not quite the same but open all year round!

http://www.dorsetsnowsportcentre.co.uk/the_gallery.htm'

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 27 May 2007 01:17:37 GMT

ellistine wrote:

Mike wrote:when our ski hill opens for the season

Here's a link to 'my hill'. Not quite the same but open all year round!

http://www.dorsetsnowsportcentre.co.uk/the_gallery.htm'

It is an interesting looking place. Thanks for the link.

But skiing all year has it's advantages. You can pick the best weather or plan days that will suit your schedule the best.

Today's temperature is in the very high 20's C and even 30+ ; and the nice thing was the local evening news had news of some Atlantic ski hills (One in New Brwnswick received a provincial grant for future developments). So in all the heat it was nice to see some skiing on the snow in the winter months.

Now the numbers ... but not just numbers but rather m a g i c numbers! Hmmmmmm what could they be???? I must get a good nights sleep and give the matter more serious thought than I have so far.

Pavel - you are keeping very quiet ... Ellistine and myself are loosing too much sleep!!! It is still a fun quizz but ....... I think we need another hint!

Mike :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 27 May 2007 10:30:53 GMT

I think this thread should be renamed to 'Mystical Numbers all skiers won't Know!' :?

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 27 May 2007 12:49:00 GMT

ellistine wrote:I think this thread should be renamed to 'Mystical Numbers all skiers won't Know!' :?

I think you're right !!! Mystical and Magical but cetrainly ellusive!

so here 's another try ...

-25C .... being the temperature that is ALMOST to cold for skiing enjoyment

-26 ... the temperature at which ski freezes under the "right" wind and humidy conditions, if we aren't prepared properly.

25knts. ... the wind speed combined with the "right" humidity to provide conditions (wind chill) at which skin may freeze when the temperature is cold enough - ie the right conditions...

20 sec. ... the time required for skin to freeze at the "right" conditions

0 ... the number of times I've had frozen skin due to being careful in the conditions which would have been "right" to cause pain and suffering from frozen noses or fingers. Once "bitten" as it were the better chance to get "bitten" again! So keeping these numbers in mind could save money (from expensive medical bills) and will certainly keep skiing safer. We have to be cognizant of the conditioins and environment in which we "play". And play safe!!!

Mike :(

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 27 May 2007 19:19:23 GMT

Well here it is a lovely Sunday afternoon in Nova Scotia - temperatures hig 20's and not a cloud in the sky. I have some yard work to deal with but then we have the 2007 Pavel Springtime Quizz. Difficult call on which to think about first.

The quizz won out !!!

So having looked through the original clues / hints I have been thinking that all factors seem to point to the individual on broadest of terms.

Numbers one should know for a safe ski experience deals with their health, the overall state of their being (in the purchase of a house you try to consider it's "health" and what costs may unexpectedly arise before you know it. So let's load the gun with some fresh amo and fire it once more.

BANG !!

120/80 the skiers at rest blood pressure... (as you can see I don't know what mine might be or if the number looks remotely like this. If Pavel issued a test before allowing me up the hill based on this - I may as well return to my home...)

88 the skier's heart rate when a bit busier than at rest (the above claim of lack of medical knowledge applies heer too)

35 a number representing the skier's level of diabetic state or not. (there must be a numerical relation to this state (and again my knowledge is lacking and non existant here)).

234-5678 a telephone number for which emergency medical information could be attained for the skier in sudden need of help.

195 the skier's typical weight so that his DIN can be set properly.

So these numbers are all pertaining to the individual and if sewn into his jacket he could receive help of the medical type if needed. But I am afraid I would fail terribly any test of this knowledge at the lift ticket counter. These are things that would be discouvered at the emergency room - if I lived long enough to get there. The saving the money part of the quizz comes from the skier learning the numbers and if need be he could do what might be needed to get himself in top physical shape. This in itself will make for a fun and healthy ski season - while saving money which an emergency may bring upon him.

Mike

Mike :roll:

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 15:08:39 GMT

Hint 1: With both your answers you are very very close to getting the skis. Problem should I send one to Mike and the other to Ellistine?

Hint 2: It is all about skis!

Hint 3 : The last value will serve you all your life once you know how to use it. In fact I predict that all skiers reading this thread will use this knowledge all their life and even thank you two for making me "reveal" this number. They will remember thre source of this value evry time they get new ski!
I promise both of you that once you will have correct values you will sleep very well at night!

Hint 3: Ellistine you are good! Now think what every skier must consider when buying a new ski!

I mean EVERY skier! Get that and the Mutix are yours!!!

I had a dream last night.........

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 16:26:07 GMT

Hint 2: It is all about skis!

Pavel, I expect the dream you had was more about how the quizz is nearing conclusion since you say we are both very close.

My amo supply is becoming very low so once again I will take aim. And since it is all about the skis I'll leave emergency phone numbers, alpine code, etc out of this.

1. Ski specifications as to size: 106/65/97
Tip width, say 106mm
Waist width, say 65
Tail width , say 97 mm

2. Ski length 170cm distance from tip to tail of the ski

3. Turn Radius say 15 meters, this being the radius of the circle the ski will travel when set on edge.

4. 6.5 my DIN seting ;The DIN setting which helps keep us safe and free from costly injuries resulting fropm falls where the ski comes with us. This produces twisted or broken joints. Based on The skier's weight, age, ability level, and boot size this number will help the binding release the ski when undue forces are exerted.

5. The flex index for the ski, say 70 N/cm for longer skis would be fairly stiff. A ski like this would work well on ice (holding well and turn easily) but would be demanding in the mogals. A softer flex ski (say 180 in length with a 60N/cm flex index) would work well in tight mogals but a ski with a length of 205 and the same flex index would work like a "truck" in the same bumps. This ski flex index info was found in the October 1979 issue of SKI on page 115.

Therefore the comparison to buying a home and ski purchase, I believe is to consider the application of the ski we chose. If we want to go for mogals we want a ski suitable to that function. Choosing the right ski will keep us happier and safer for sure.

... and that's it for now ... :!:

Mike :roll: (Had to edit as I left out an actual # for the DIN !!!

re-edit:... I was just re-thinking Hint # 2. It's all about the skis....

DIN is all about the skier and not about the skis. Whether I ski on Atomic 180's or Head 160's my DIN is the same because my height, weight ability are about the same on any given day. DIN is all about the skier !!

Therefore my # 4 is now changed to 7 pounds or 3.2 kg and this represents the ski's weight for the pair. Longer the ski the heavier. I remember testing a demo ski and thought how heavy this ski was! It was an Atomic Metron which was highly regarded . But to my learning body these things were heavy and required a lot of ablilty and strength to ski well.

...now... I'm done (for now...) :-)

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 16:56:21 GMT

I'll tell you one thing, It'll be a lot cheaper to send a pair of skis to Mike than to me!

Hint 3: Ellistine you are good! Now think what every skier must consider when buying a new ski!

I can think of lots of things to consider when buying new skis but I can't make these into a number;

Where will I be skiing - on piste, off piste, ski park, restaurant cruising etc?
How much am I willing to spend?
Is the ski a current model or a previous season?
What discount is available?
Am I able to test the ski?
Am I a Bode Millar fan or a Benni Raich fan (to choose the make of ski - I must be an Anja Paerson fan with my Salomons)?
How often am I going to use them - should I hire instead?
Am I a he or a she?
What do the reviews say
And most importantly - are they better than my mates?

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 18:20:37 GMT

Ellistine;

{I can think of lots of things to consider when buying new skis but I can't make these into a number;}

Sure you can turn these things into numbers ... I hope you're not valuing quality sleep time as more value than the great Pavel sleepless night inducing quizz.!! Just think how much longer the ski season has continued... look at how we have put so much thought into this and the things we have learned.

OK .. take a nap ... and then come up with some matching numbers!!! These skis are well worth some lost sleep right now... you can sleep all summer and be rested up for some quality ski time in the Alps !!! The quizz continues ....

Mike

:P

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 21:27:04 GMT

Could it be. . . When to buy the ski? It could explain the "gaussian probablility." The number could be the optimum dates. For example: month numbers 4-9. And of course the high point on the curve would be at the beginning of the season.

My guess is: we will all be stunned at the simplicity of this! After all how hard can it be if 95% of all good skiers know it? ;) He just likes to give us beginners a a hard time. ;)

So, here is my list, (I feel bad jumping in this late:)

1. Ski lenght (168). Does this one really need an explantion? There are too many variables.

2. Radius (14.6m). This gives a general idea of how "sharply" the ski will turn.

3. Sidecut (114-68-99). Determines how the ski "rides" on the surface(ie. floats in powder, or carves in groomed)

4. Edge bevel (2 degrees). Controls how well the cuts.

5. Dates to purchase! Expained above.

Yep, it is really grasping, but hey what else can you do? :)

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 21:30:51 GMT

I have a couple of ideas but I'm pretty much on empty;

When you buy a house you look at the initial price, taxes, legal fees, etc..

With the house it would be 'Can I afford it?'

Ellistine you are good! Now think what every skier must consider when buying a new ski!

With the ski it might be 'Am I good enough for it?' so perhaps it's my ability level.

Buying skis that are designed to match your own skiing ability will help with your skiing and also stop you spending more money on features that you will not benefit from.

The other thought I had could be to do with exchange rate. I recently bought some new bindings from the US and even with the postage costs they worked out cheaper than buying from the UK due to the strong pound.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 21:37:59 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:5. Dates to purchase! Expained above.

Yeah, I had that one earlier but I don't think it fits with the house buying 'considerations'. I think compared to the two band rise in council tax that I hadn't 'considered' :evil: , the month I bought it seemed irrelivant.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 21:53:40 GMT

Dshenberger

[My guess is: we will all be stunned at the simplicity of this! After all how hard can it be if 95% of all good skiers know it? ;)]

I agree - this is usually the way it goes!! Good point !!!!

[ He just likes to give us beginners a a hard time. ;)]

I see you know our great mentor - the true teacher- Pavel quite well!!! He enjoys bringing the answer out from within our basic knowledge.

[So, here is my list, (I feel bad jumping in this late:)]

Never feel bad about joining the Great Pavel Springtime Quizz aka: The Sleepless Night Club

It's good to know Ellistine and myself aren't alone in the quest for these great skis! The more in the quizz, the sooner we get the answer and all can return to restful nights!

Mike :D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 28 May 2007 21:58:19 GMT

I suppose sidecut, and radius are redundant. I am guessing that the flex is a part of this. But I didn't think there was an industry standard for ski flex.

It, also, seems to me that there is too much subjectivity in a choice of how much can I afford, what level do I need, etc. . . Just think, the world's best skiers don't think about how much their skis cost, or how much they can afford. The sponsors have to worry about that! :)

Binding position could be a number, I guess. But I don't know that much about their placement. Maybe binding height??

Ski weight?

What other numbers are there that apply directly to the skis??

Hey Mike, yes, I have noticed he really enjoys teaching. :) I am hoping someday he can give me some input into my skiing.

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 01:02:30 GMT

Oh boy!! Now I have three smart skiers ! You are all turning around the tree!

You have the concept yet do not know how to turn it into figures!

When you get answer and then read all your messages you will;
1. hit your head with the palm of your hand.
2. say , "ho that, yes NOW it is clear"
3. yes yes THAT figure is the most important one to consider

Really really last HINT.

Have you read the stories of the famous British dective Sherlock Holmes? In one of the stories a very valuable letter had to be "hidden" in a house!
The police knew for sure it was in the house. Yet after several searches it was not found!

Holmes found it because he thought like the "culprit"!

Mike you know me better than the others. Think like me!
You are the very best to get this one! Let me see if you have a good memory!
What surprised me and impressed me about you!
Think!
Your answer will lead you to the skis!

PS
For the rest of the pack, Mike is an engineer and has an analytic mind!

I Can not sleep any more since I have the answer and it is soooooo evident to me! I ask in my dreams, " why can they not get it"?

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 01:36:18 GMT

Pavel,

Oh this is getting really intresting now !!! And we haven't even reached the point where "The DaVinci Code" comes into the equation....

So since we are all loosing sleep and you suggest, Pavel, "Mike you know me better than the others. Think like me!
You are the very best to get this one! Let me see if you have a good memory!" Let's just call it a draw and we could all vote Mike as the winner !!! :-)

There is no doubt that many things you found impressive about me ...My sense of humor for sure !!! My luck in finding such a great wife !!! My naive thinking of the value of candle wax !!! - well maybe the impressive thoughts left at this point ...

But as I recall you were impressed by my observation powers at the time you donated a tuning machuine to the race team at Lake Placid and they in turn made a gift of Rossignol skis to you. You had sent me a picture of the skis in your car and I noted the Rossi symbol which you seem to find impressed that I could see. But now how does this all tie togethern now??? Hmmmmmm????? What 5 numbers would Pavel think this important and this magical ???

I realized from the outset of this quizz that the winner would be the one who was able to think most like you So I will take some time and review the posts, while thinking like Pavel. Then I will again load the shotgun and blast another answer out for all to see. Unless the others beat me to it.

Get ready for another reply from me!!!

Mike :!: :wink:

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 04:20:34 GMT

And one more reply before I try to dream another (but short) answer ...

Pavel says to think like him. And the way he thinks is in a way for which he can prepare for the unexpected. He once told me a story of a young boy who watched the elders go out hunting. Being young and lacking hunting skills, the boy had to say behind; but one day he went off on his own - and failed at his hunt. He failed because he wasn't prepared properly.

Pavel likewise prepares mindfully for what lies ahead and hopes to be prepared for the unknown - it is a matter of survival !! He puts himself in the position of keeping a watchful eye and has a ready course of action. He is a rather amazing guy !!! Really !!!

But how to turn this into numbers that are magical and all this important. ?? A difficult question. He once pointed out the importance of planning for future needs to me. And the signifiigance of the tree. And he says the three of us are rounding the tree! Another "hidden" clue? Just as the letter was "hidden' in the house? I wonder. And "its all about the skis"! And just how will these numbers save all this money? More questions than answers I guess.

This is deep but likely very plain to see..

So when we assess our needs and plan for the future when it comes to buying skis for the best deal we look to April for the purchase - the down season when the suppliers are trying to sell off stock. Here we will save money!

4 = April

If we assess our abilities and the terrain in which we hope to ski we can find the ski that works the best for us and produce the "performance" of a highly powered car. Here we select the size specifications of the ski. Even the pitch of the terrain has a bearing on ski length.

11 @ 165 for example (since we have Mutix on the brain) 11 being the turning radius in meters and 165 being the ski length in cm.

If we select our skis for the conditions we expect to find at the ski hill we will not be suprised and caught un-prepared. Lets suppose we are going a great distance and could find icy conditions, powder conditions, hard packed conditions or a mixture. We want to be ready for the unexpected!!

3 = The number of skis we would like to have to suit a variety of conditions. Pavel has been known to prepare 10 pairs of skis for family ski outings to Sunday River - but you didn't hear this from me!

For peace of mind in the event of stolen .. or let's say ... misplaced skis, recording the serial number of our skis might help make the recovery possibly.

0001264538 = a serial number on the ski (we would keep this number with us as well as in other safe places).

The number which would help make the skiing experience more pleasant is knowing we have our ski de-tuned properly. This will prevent catching an edge resulting in a potential nasty fall.

5 = the distance from tip and tail we detune the skis in cms and remove any burrs.

And now I'm off to dream of how Pavel would answer this quizz since he says he knows the answer!!!

Mike :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 10:57:30 GMT

Well I'm completely baffled by it all.

I'm off to Cornwall for a couple of days and I expect all this cleared up by the time I get back!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 12:31:21 GMT

ellistine wrote:Well I'm completely baffled by it all.

I'm off to Cornwall for a couple of days and I expect all this cleared up by the time I get back!

But, Ellistine .... they must have internet connections in Cornwall. When you relax a bit I bet the numbers will just "float" into your mind. This has been so much fun and challenging at the same time. That bring up another "f-index" number - the float index indicating how well a given ski profile will "float" over the snow. It is a relative number based on a standard (which I would have to look up) but for my Head Big Easy skis with a 12.4@160 the f-index is 122. As I recall (correctly or not - not sure) there is a certain ski designated as the industry standard and this ski's base area is 122% of the standard. Something along this line, I believe.

Now gentlemen, my wife, Judy, has always been enchanted by the Pavel Quizz and has on occasion also provided a "respect"ful answer regarding how a woman wants her man to "listen". With this quizz she has asked me to offer an answer on her behalf - and I always "listen" to my wife's wishes.

Judy suggests the numbers relating to a happy, safe, and money saving ski venture are:

555-6789; a home phone number when needing assistance (emergency or otherwise

235-765-008; government health card number for an unexpected visit to the ER room with a ski related injury

ABF-409; Your car liscence plate number for easy finding of the car by ski hill officials after you have been whisked to the ER room. (She seems to have a expectation of injury !!)

*** *** ** *** Bank Card number (Sorry the actual digits are her secret) just in case she needs unexpected finances while out of commission.

623-887-6-3425; Private health Card Number - so that any hospital care the government won't cover her private insurance might. She needs her comforts!

Now you see why my first reply included the time for lunch and warming by the lodge fire ... Judy like's her comforts.

Mike :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 13:06:34 GMT

Mike wrote:they must have internet connections in Cornwall

So you've never been to Cornwall then?

Whoops, must not insult the Cornish, even if they do like to insult the English. Infact it was a Cornishman who got me into skiing in the first place by marrying a friend of mine and having the ceremony in Austria.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 13:34:49 GMT

ellistine wrote:

Mike wrote:they must have internet connections in Cornwall

So you've never been to Cornwall then?

Whoops, must not insult the Cornish, even if they do like to insult the English. Infact it was a Cornishman who got me into skiing in the first place by marrying a friend of mine and having the ceremony in Austria.

No, I haven't been to Cornwall and I certainly wouldn't insult anyone from there. My slip of the key board - sorry. I meant with all the internet cafes all over the place you should be able to find a connection while visiting.

The 1994 trip saw visits to Blackpool and area (town & country tour- which went through Wyre on yesterday's bank holiday - as I remember), the Lake District and London. In 1997 another trip to the UK took us to Belfast, Port-a-Ferry (we stayed at a B&B in Bangor), then onto London with a trip to Brighton . Both trips had to include Windsor. Great trips both times!!

Have a great time in Cornwall, Ellistine !

Now skiing in Austria must have been better than great !!! Bet you have some other good stories besides driving the nail!

Mike :-)

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 14:41:09 GMT

Mike wrote:No, I haven't been to Cornwall and I certainly wouldn't insult anyone from there. My slip of the key board - sorry. I

Sorry Mike, it was me having a little dig at our Cornish friends not you! A large group of Cornish people want Cornwall to be it's own independent country. Not sure quite how viable that would be. It's certainly a long time since tin mining was a big earner. They are however, planning to create quite a large artificial ski slope down there - with green snowflex to reduce the visual impact on the area. I find it quite hard to imaging skiing on green snow, either real or false. Should be good though.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 14:55:54 GMT

Allright guys, try to stay focused here! Haha. :P

Mike, I like the serial number idea.

The only other thing I can think of is the "model year." I suppose that could save you money. . .

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 15:46:52 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Allright guys, try to stay focused here! Haha. :P

Mike, I like the serial number idea.

The only other thing I can think of is the "model year." I suppose that could save you money. . .

The model of the ski usually has a number attached indicating the stiffness as well. The Atomic supercross SX 9 is slightly less stiff than the SX 10 as with the Solomon Crossmax Pilot 10 or Pilot 9.

The problem with the serial # is challenging the person who found your missing (misplaced) ski that you would like to take a look at the serial #. But then the tuning shops usually have an eye out for these "misplaced" skis with a list at their bench.

Another number I remember is the sequence of turns and numbers on my combination lock which helps me from misplacing my skis from the racks. OK -- so I'm not so trusting I suppose....

And Ellistine we have parts of Canada that have the independance feelings too. Not sure where Pavel stands on this one - can be a sensitive issue at times. But then NS has had promises from people who wanted to use the shale layering beneath the province to act as a means of floating the entire province down to Florida. Now wouldn't that mess up our ski season !!!

Mike :?

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 16:19:50 GMT

I just noticed on a map of NS that there's a town called Truro - named after Truro in Cornwall I should imagine. Perhaps you're fractionaly Cornish Mike!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 17:36:16 GMT

ellistine wrote:I just noticed on a map of NS that there's a town called Truro - named after Truro in Cornwall I should imagine. Perhaps you're fractionaly Cornish Mike!

Not Cornish - just corny... (sorry)

Don't know about the roots in detail. But I'm supposed to be 3/4 Irish and 1/4 Welsh. Most grandparents came from Ireland during the potato famine days to Cape Breton (northern part of NS) and The Edwards settled closer to Halifax. Truro is about a 55 minute drive from my home just outside Halifax. Look closely at your map Ellistine. Slightly north of Truro is Wentworth - the location of Ski Wentworth -another 30 minutes from Truro. Some really nice trails there and the only black diamond hills nearby. They usually get "The Headwall" operational but the other 2 depend on a snowfall. Their site has a gallery showing this. The first time down the Headwall when my wife and I were riding back up on the chair - patting ourselves on the back for this accomplishment .... some kid was travelling down headwall - backwards

Find Windsor near the center of the province and just slightly west you will see Martock. Ski Martock is 44 minutes from my driveway to theirs. We try to leave at 7:45 on Saturday mornings to give us time to get the boots on and to the the first chair at 9am. Gee this makes me long for the winter Saturday mornings :(

I had left out before that the '94 trip included a day to Chester in Wales. Now that's a neat place! A real tourist trap too! We would really like to someday charter one of the river boats and make that run. Have you toured Chester and walked the wall or visited the Cathedral ? Some real history there!

We seldom take advantage of the features of where we live. It is the same here.

No new numbers :?: :shock:

When do you leave for Cornwall :?:

Mike :) :roll:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 18:02:33 GMT

We seldom take advantage of the features of where we live. It is the same here

I've seen very little of the UK. I've never been East of London nor North of the Lake Districts. Last summer I bought a new Cabrio car so at some point I want to do a summer time tour of the UK. The trouble is I end up using all my Holiday during the winter (for obvious reasons). I currently have 4 out of my 26 days of Holiday left that need to last me until 31st of December!

When do you leave for Cornwall

Tomorrow 7am :thumbdown: - a bit too early for me.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 29 May 2007 20:59:53 GMT

ellistine wrote:

We seldom take advantage of the features of where we live. It is the same here

I've seen very little of the UK. I've never been East of London nor North of the Lake Districts. Last summer I bought a new Cabrio car so at some point I want to do a summer time tour of the UK. The trouble is I end up using all my Holiday during the winter (for obvious reasons). I currently have 4 out of my 26 days of Holiday left that need to last me until 31st of December!

When do you leave for Cornwall

Tomorrow 7am :thumbdown: - a bit too early for me.

Have a great drive !

I should have mentioned... also with the 1994 trip ... just as we were getting on the plane in Halifax my brother passed me a video camera and asked we get some footage of the TVR sports car plant in Blackpool - for his local motorsport TV program. We did request a tour and were treated royally.

I see they have been taken over and may still be in trouble. They were really nice cars.

Drive carefully - on the wrong side of the road for us North Ameriicans
:wink:

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 03:30:55 GMT

temperature at the top of the mountain?
sun's strengh (UV%)?
parking lot number?
can't wait to hear the answer. i'm really intrigued.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 12:32:13 GMT

agusl wrote:temperature at the top of the mountain?
sun's strengh (UV%)?
parking lot number?
can't wait to hear the answer. i'm really intrigued.

Intrigued !! That's true for sure ... but are you enjoying the sleepless nights Agusl ??? That is the true sign of a "player" in the Great Pavel Springtime Quizz !!!

Mike :D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 16:26:04 GMT

Dshenberger;

I must appoligize ... I have just reviewed the replies to this great (but puzzelling) quizz and I noticed you suggested the time to buy the skis may be one of the numbers as related by month. After your reply I included the same thing in one of my replies. (4 = April) as the best time to buy the skis as a money saving aspect. I didn't mean to "crowd" your number.

Mike :?

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 16:34:14 GMT

Haha! No worries Mike! :)

My newest idea. . . The number of years I think I can wait to buy a new pair of skis!

How many scratches are on my skis?? :P

I think we should all work together, and come up with a test for Pavel!!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 18:12:55 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Haha! No worries Mike! :)

I think we should all work together, and come up with a test for Pavel!!

Now there's a good idea... but we would be hard up to come up with as good a prize. I wonder if Pavel might remember the magical number of the hurricane which destroyed PPP in Halifax a couple of years ago? But this is too easy for the quizz master, himself.

I'm becoming so distracted that my daily work is falling behind ... :roll:

I have to confess I have finally done the google search ... has anyone else?

There are so many magic numbers out there that this quizz could be the quizz to end all quizzes.

For Example: Sunday River (as all resorts) have a magic number in temperature which signals to turn on the snow guns, the number of turns the legs can take before a rest is considered a "magic" number, 20 is thought to be the magic mumber for the number of times to run Birkebeiner to calim "membership" in an elite club, 74 mph is a magic number when speaking of hurricanes ... and the list goes on and on .

So what exactly numbers make the skis "magical"? That is the question.

The ski length and specifications as related to the skier and conditions make them magical.

How the ski is tuned and maintained make them magical.

The cost of the ski certainly must add to the magic and therefore the time to purchase brings about this magic.

The entire skiing experience is magical and is enhanced by the magical ski.

But "its all about the ski".

So let's try to put the numbers into these thoughts.

165 = ski length and 11 meters= ski turning radius

-5C= the temperature which I like when we "allow" the skis to run magically with the suitable waxes for the conditions for the ski base type.

0 degrees base bevel and 2 side bevel for solid grip.

20 the magic number of turns the ski let's us enjoy (depending on terrain and our ability).

And, again 4= April ... the best time to buy and save $$$ for the magical experience.

But I expect I will have a headache from banging my forehead as Pavel suggests, when the answer is revealed. It will be simpler than any of our answers so far.
We are thinking too far within "the box" but at the same time I've spiralled so far away from the target !!!

Ahhh, what frustration ... no, no , I mean what fun !!!

MIke

:( :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 19:27:51 GMT

I must congratulate both Ellistine and Mike for single handedly keeping this forum going through the dreary summer months!!! Sorry - you too Pavel! I must admit to being completly stumped, although at 165 the skis in question would be too short anyway, so good luck to both, being completly un-biased i would have to say; "come on ellistine!" sorry Mike but must support the home boy! By the way for someone who claims to be 1/4 welsh your countrymen would be aghast to hear you placing Chester in Wales, close but definately ENGLAND. Lovely place though, typical english cathedrl city (think York or Canterbury).

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 20:48:01 GMT

freezywater wrote:I must congratulate both Ellistine and Mike for single handedly keeping this forum going through the dreary summer months!!! Sorry - you too Pavel! I must admit to being completly stumped, although at 165 the skis in question would be too short anyway, so good luck to both, being completly un-biased i would have to say; "come on ellistine!" sorry Mike but must support the home boy! By the way for someone who claims to be 1/4 welsh your countrymen would be aghast to hear you placing Chester in Wales, close but definately ENGLAND. Lovely place though, typical english cathedrl city (think York or Canterbury).

You mean all these years I had thought I had visited Wales ... and I only got close :?: :!: Now I'm gobsmaked :( Must look up the tour company and send them an email saying "... on your bike!" :evil: tha'll get'em. How close? Maybe they parked the bus in Wales and we crossed the boarder into England! A friend's husband is from Wales. I must get her to ask him how close I was!!!

On the second trip we took the tour to Canterbury and we even "donated" to 2p or whatever it was for the pleasure of climbing all those steps in the tower for the great view from the roof. Well at least we saw the roof!.

165 is a good length for lively and snappy turns - as their prmo literature states. And if you didn't cheer on the native son - he might come and get you !

But, I hope you are spending sleepless night just the same -- the only way to fully "enjoy" Pavel's quizz!

Mike :wink:

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 22:54:14 GMT

You have really created a real problem for me!

What do I do if correc6t answer is found in ALL your answers.

Do we do a "time sharing" ski deal, where I send ski to X for two months. Then to Y for 5 weeks!

Have you all read each other"s answers? You have great brain power as a group!

Mike, think how proud yu were when you told me and the end of the ski year how you........ ( in figures)

Damm I am getting too close to the answer!

Others will complain that you are getting "unfair" information!

Mind you I wish Ellistine wins so that he can "tell" other skiers what it feels like to ski on a "hot" ski! Come on just a few more sleepless nights Ellistine. You have the answer. You think of this all the time! Now just present your thinking into a "figure"!

I promise you all this figure you will never forget and you will use it for the rest of your skiing life! It will be called the Pavel index!

Damm another hint!!! Can't seem to hold them back! Must be the sleepless nights thinking of all of you!

Here is my very last hint!

Once you know this figure and HOW TO USE IT correctly you become in your country the man to see! They will come to you!

They will ask you if.........!

PS
I have already checked how much it costs to ship skis to England! So get it!!!!!

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 30 May 2007 23:39:45 GMT

pavelski wrote:You have really created a real problem for me!

What do I do if correc6t answer is found in ALL your answers.

Do we do a "time sharing" ski deal, where I send ski to X for two months. Then to Y for 5 weeks!

Have you all read each other"s answers? You have great brain power as a group!

Mike, think how proud yu were when you told me and the end of the ski year how you........ ( in figures)

Damm I am getting too close to the answer!

Others will complain that you are getting "unfair" information!

Mind you I wish Ellistine wins so that he can "tell" other skiers what it feels like to ski on a "hot" ski! Come on just a few more sleepless nights Ellistine. You have the answer. You think of this all the time! Now just present your thinking into a "figure"!

I promise you all this figure you will never forget and you will use it for the rest of your skiing life! It will be called the Pavel index!

Damm another hint!!! Can't seem to hold them back! Must be the sleepless nights thinking of all of you!

Here is my very last hint!

Once you know this figure and HOW TO USE IT correctly you become in your country the man to see! They will come to you!

They will ask you if.........!

PS
I have already checked how much it costs to ship skis to England! So get it!!!!!

With each reply from Pavel the hints become more enticing and even more confusing.

But I'm on the way out the door right now but wanted to offer just as strange a "guess" or two.

It seems we are missing one number which will be called the "Pavel index " or PI and we all know PI = 3.14159265375.. or about 22/7. It is used to calculate the properties of circles and since we ski arcs, I suppose we use this to save time as we can estimate the arc we will ski knowing PI and the specifications of our skis. But I have offered PI as an answer already!

And the second guess is that the number we all learn to use to make our skiing more enjoyable and efficient is the "g" = the acceleration of gravity = 982.0 cm/sec sec or 32.22 ft/sec sec We are using gravity to ski the best line we see when we round the tree. We use gravity to help enjoy the cost/run ratio (which after a good year = $.50 =/-). However if we learn how our skis prefore when we let them go due to gravity skiing will be the fun it should be all the time. We learn to control the ski by knowing how to use gravity.

But this past season I was proud of how well my wife skied having gone through knee scoping; how we managed 15 days despite the terrible winter weather which was most times like spring weather; somewhat proud of my 272 runs and one day of 51 runs ... but I can't see the bearing to the quizz.

I hope my driving to where I'm headed now won't be distracted by the lingering puzzlement.

I think I will have another sleepless night tonight !!!

Mike :cry:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 02:37:52 GMT

nobody mentioned any boot size. i mean, mondo size, sole lenght. maybe you did mention and i missed it.
cya

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 11:43:37 GMT

agusl wrote:nobody mentioned any boot size. i mean, mondo size, sole lenght. maybe you did mention and i missed it.
cya

I don't recall seeing that mentioned Agusl. It ties into the DIN but I don't think anyone mentioned anything in that area.

My wife suggested this morning that possibly 2 and 3 may be a couple of the magic numbers. As in ..."turn..2...3..." ..."turn...2 ... 3..." We USE 2 & 3 to keep our turns rythymic and smooth as we turn the skis from arc to arc down the hill! When it works right ... well.. it's magical !!! "Say it like you would sing it !! ..."turn..2...3..." , ..."turn..2...3..."

Mike (for Judy) :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 13:33:41 GMT

Technology for you. I'm on a sunbed by a hot tub in a hotel in Cornwall reading this damn thread on my mobile phone!

i've pretty much resigned myself to not getting these skis (anyway I like my skis) and it's lovely not to have to be constantly thinking about numbers.

each time Pavel gives us another hint I get even more confused!

still it's single handedly kept this forum functioning these last few weeks!

when I get home i'll have another read of pavels hints but at the moment i'm baffled.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 14:52:42 GMT

ellistine wrote:Technology for you. I'm on a sunbed by a hot tub in a hotel in Cornwall reading this damn thread on my mobile phone!

i've pretty much resigned myself to not getting these skis (anyway I like my skis) and it's lovely not to have to be constantly thinking about numbers.

each time Pavel gives us another hint I get even more confused!

still it's single handedly kept this forum functioning these last few weeks!

when I get home i'll have another read of pavels hints but at the moment i'm baffled.

Ellistine; It sounds like you're having a good time ... sunbeds, hottubs... and I'm happy for you. We all deserve some quality down time now and then. Don't give up on this yet... the correct answer will likely come from someone who is silently lurking and going to pounce with that magic number right at the "magical" moment and BOOM ... Pavel will have to ship the skis to Italy !!! We are only up to page # 6 . The London bookeis are probably taking action on the page number when that lurking person from Italy pounces and closes the 2007 Quizz! But we will greet the winner with a polite "Comie stie?" none the less --- because we skiers are such nice people!

But I agree ... the more hints - the more confused I am as well. But deep down we all would love to take "ownership" of the great skis. For two reasons. 1. They are obviously beautiful skis and like a kid in a candy store we want it all! and 2. We can claim bragging rights as the winner of the 2007 Pavel Springtime Quizz! Thereby it would be like the skier who conquers White Heat at Sunday River. Pavel must relate the story (and reasoning) for a colourfully decorated tree on that run. The people who have decorated it are saying "I've made it - show me my seat at the table of the skiers of the inner sanctum"! And the simmilar thing can be said of surviving a Pavel Quizz let alone claiming to be a winner !!!

Lots of reasons not to give up. Numbers are with you too. Don't stay in the sun bed longer than ---- minutes and get out of the hottub after -----minutes .... Just can't escape the numbers in life. But have a great time anyway :D

Mike :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 15:43:54 GMT

Now you have us all rooting for Ellistine! ;)

How about how we rate the skis performance? Ie. Today they performed at a 7 of 10.

Or maybe the degree of arc we are carving?

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 18:49:00 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Now you have us all rooting for Ellistine! ;)

How about how we rate the skis performance? Ie. Today they performed at a 7 of 10.

Or maybe the degree of arc we are carving?

I'm in trouble because if the quizz goes to a vote then Ellistine, you will win! Now, that's not a bad thing at all, but ....

So I must think harder and this has produced another thought which is so far off the mark I expect that I'm a bit hesitant to offer this. But anyway here goes...

Let's call the number the Pavel index as he has suggested it will be known in the future. Let's use the PI to really mean "Preformance Improvement". This as a number will be a percentage of the skier's improvement over the past year, month, week or what ever interval is chosen. A Gaussian distribution aspect possibility. If we can put a number to how we have learned to control the ski it may be of value in selecting our ski, being safe, establishing a level of valid competency, a level of confidence. If we are confident we will be relaxed and will ski better. The past year I felt improvement as I felt relaxed - more "one with the snow" as it were. So my value of PI, the Preformance Improvement number (or the Pavel Index) is 125. This means I most humbley feel that over the 2006 -2007 season I felt 25% a better skier than in the 2005-2006 season. Knowing this number gave me the confidence to "work" the skis better and in more control. A better skiing experience!

Now isn't that a stretch :!:

Mike :lol:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 22:27:11 GMT

I'm back! Very tired after Long drive and can do without thinking too much about this tonight but....

In the words of Loyd Grossman - 'Let us examine the evidence'

When you buy a house you look at the initial price, taxes, legal fees, etc.. When you want the best ski deal you look at...... ( yes here is your Gaussian index Trencher)

Now think about your house and all the "considerations" you made before buying it!

The last number on my list is the most important. it will save you all a great deal of money once you discover what it is!

Hint 2: It is all about skis!

Hint 3 : The last value will serve you all your life once you know how to use it. In fact I predict that all skiers reading this thread will use this knowledge all their life and even thank you two for making me "reveal" this number. They will remember thre source of this value evry time they get new ski!
I promise both of you that once you will have correct values you will sleep very well at night!

Hint 3: Ellistine you are good! Now think what every skier must consider when buying a new ski!

I mean EVERY skier! Get that and the Mutix are yours!!!

Mike, think how proud yu were when you told me and the end of the ski year how you........ ( in figures)

I promise you all this figure you will never forget and you will use it for the rest of your skiing life! It will be called the Pavel index!

Once you know this figure and HOW TO USE IT correctly you become in your country the man to see! They will come to you!
They will ask you if.........!

Pavel, am I right in thinking that all these clues are for the 5th elusive number? See our problem?:?

I'm thinking that the number is not a nominal number but is part of a range of numbers (the Pavel Index).

Any of you Brits remember the 80's TV program 3-2-1 (Dusty Bin and all that)? Remember the riddle to be solved at the end?

For those that don't remember it or who were lucky enough not to be able to receive this program, here is an example riddle taken from Wikipedia (yes 3-2-1 is on Wikipedia!)

For example, a wishbone brought on by Sonny Hayes came with the clue "Take one that never changes, add a pub and a precious stone, bring them all up-to-date, and now you're on your own", which the contestants rejected hoping it referred to Dusty Bin. Rogers explanation of the clue was: "'Take one that never changes', well that could be Dusty Bin which of course is where you might throw a wishbone. 'Add a pub and a precious stone', well that doesn't point to Dusty. 'Bring them all up-to-date, and now you're on your own'. Well what about the wishbone? Sonny said 'a large wishbone', so what might a large wishbone come from? Something larger than a chicken. Turkey maybe? Now 'one that never changes' is a constant, a pub can also be an inn, there's a lot of precious stones but how many go with 'constant inn'? How about opal? Yes, Constantinople, up-to-date, the pride of Turkey, you've rejected the 3-2-1 holiday!"

I think you'll agree this riddle is obvious compared to Pavels Corker! :lol:

P.S. I'm open to receiving PM's if anybody works out the answer (I'd send you a picture of me skiing on them in Austria next January in the way of a thankyou) :wink: :wink:

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 22:52:05 GMT

Ellistine,
Your "problem solving" strategies are excellent.
Maybe you should all get together and decide on the obviouse correct answers. Then focus all your brain power on that last number.

Now knowing how you think, I am sure that "use" this last index without knowing its exact source and value!

I know for sure that Mike uses it since he proved it to me when I met him!

Agus in his quest for skis several months ago would have given his right arm to know this index.

Dshenberger, I know will applly this index in his area in November even on his board. Dam another hint!

June 10 is the deadline!

The last is the very best Ellistine! That is the Grail!!!!

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 31 May 2007 23:32:28 GMT

I'm glad you returned safely, Ellistine. You had a nice change of scenery I hope!

pavelski wrote:

I know for sure that Mike uses it since he proved it to me when I met him!

June 10 is the deadline!

Now, I'm completely confused :!:

Judy !!! put on the coffee ... it's going to be a long night !!!!

I'm thinking we may be looking at something we didn't realize existed. Something like the CTI or the PTI.

But last night I was so confused that I put off what I had to do (the quizz taking all my attention) and tonight I must leave to sort out this later.

Mike :(

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 03:14:07 GMT

pretty hard quizz............
gaussian distribution: normal distribution.... probability... aplies to safety limits (i do not know how you called them in english: "limites de confianza" in spanish, it is the interval in which you are xx% sure the value will be)....
what ski expertise level range can i manage? therefore, which ski is the best for me. i mean, every ski is assigned with a number or a range of numbers which defines the ski level its user must have.
or maybe price/performance relation.
ran out of ideas...
cya

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 04:16:53 GMT

Wow, Pavel, thanks for that last batch of hints! I really wonder if everything he says is some kind of veiled hint.

Why the reference to "November?" Maybe the temperature at which snow can be formed? But that makes no sense in relation to the other requirements for the answer. "Even on his board." So, it does not necessarily apply to skis specifically! Here we go - The granule size of the individual flakes! Measured in microns, of course. ;)

What about a relationship between ski length and height/weight of skier?

The tenth isn't coming fast enough!!!!!!

In other news: It has been 90 degrees here the last couple of days. It makes me long for cold and snow!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Wow, Pavel, thanks for that last batch of hints! I really wonder if everything he says is some kind of veiled hint.
!

I again agree with you Dshenberger. Pavel's hints almost indicate we must read between the lines - and within most of the quotation marks.

Have you all noticed how many times he tells us to "think"? He says Ellistine and I could answer "dangerous" questions. Dangerous seemed out of place and really put before us as a hint. And he admires Ellistine's "problem solving" abilities. Also the letter was "hidden" in the house ... We all know Pavel to be a great thinker and he tells us to think. What is to think if it is not to reason. Skiing is percieived to be dangerous. This is the perception many have. If we look up reasoning indexes we find Perceptual Reasoning Index which is a way we solve problems through visualization rather than verbal means. Pavel was once impressed by my observation of the ski inthe back of his car. I suppose I "solved" my curosity of what ski it was by studying the picture. If my curosity was a problem then I solved that problem through the use of visual perception.

When we buy a ski (or anything for that matter) we have a perception of how it will work for us or make our life better. How good will the purchase make us feel. Afterall buying something is supposed to make us feel good. That's the perception. In purchasing that house we must be as certain as possible it will serve our perceived needs or we are wasting our money. With a list of wants and needs in hand we go shopping!

So....

If, as the fussy skiing shopper, we say the Pavel Index is 8.5 out of 10 , and list our needs and wants in a ski purchase in a weighted manner to a maximum of 10 and let that index be the determining factor in the "to purchase" or "not to purchase" decision (since buying something is mostly the fulfillment of that emotional need). When the ski we see matches our need and want list to at least 8.5 then we can "safely" make the purchase knowing we have reasoned it carefully and the Pavel Index justifies the purchase. The cost of emotional purchases can be high!

If we weight the ideal length say 3 points, the ideal stiffness 1.5 points, the perfect turning radius 2.0 points, the ski's desirable weight 3 points, the top sheet graphics .5 points on our want list and then assess the skis we look at against this list we would have reasoned using the Pavel Index it was a wise purchase which will meet our perceputally reasoned needs and wants.

And now it is about 4am in Weymouth :?

I hope Pavel likes long winded replies :wink:

Good night John Boy :!:

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:14:31 GMT

Mike wrote:we say the Pavel Index is 8.5 out of 10

I like that. I was thinking something similiar during the night only marks out of 5 because judging by Pavels previous threads he seems to like the number 5 eg. 5 Magic numbers etc. :D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:34:16 GMT

ellistine wrote:

Mike wrote:we say the Pavel Index is 8.5 out of 10

I like that. I was thinking something similiar during the night only marks out of 5 because judging by Pavels previous threads he seems to like the number 5 eg. 5 Magic numbers etc. :D

That's a really good point, Ellistine.

And just another thought on the needs and wants and the "controlling factors" of a purchase. Pavel mentioned that I "use" the magic number as he saw when we met. I just realized he may have been thinking of the last car we had purchased. I had explained to him that the factor "controlling" the purchase decision was how well the skis would fit. As we looked at different cars the one criteria which was paramount was how easily we could transport the skis!!! It was worth about 5 to 6 points on the Pavel Index!

Mike :thumbup:

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:06:57 GMT

Have you ever played the "HOT COLD " game with your children?

You hide a candy or toy somewhere in house and child has to locate it via your "hot or cold" feedbacks!

HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT

Dam another hint!

On June 11 when all is done and you read your messages, you will ALL;

slap your foreheads and.........

Say, " Yes it is so evident, Of course it is....."

Danger has many forms! Physical, emotional, economical!
Which one am I referring to Mike!

November? November?

What happens in November?

In English "it is the accept/reject" hypothesis decision using Gausian distribution! You are at the .01 level!!!! Very close!!!

Seems skis are going to South America! ( and it is Winter there) Seems they have migratory tendencies!

Think what else did you say to show me how you think Mike? HOT!
Just maybe the skis are going to Nova Scotia!

You fellows are smart!

To help you "see" I propose an internet demonstration.

Take anyone and sit them on chair aqnd look ahead.
Ask them to close eyes and NOT move head at all times during session.

Take any instrument that makes clicking sound or just use finger and thumb to make clicking sound.

Now ask person sitting to locate sound with right index finger. Remember they must have eyes closed at all times!

Click once near right ear! ( They will locate sound very well)

Now click at mid-line axis of the head. That is the exact distance between right and left ear ! This axis begins at nose and goes between eyes over head to neck!

Notice response!

To check person's hearing once in a while click to left or right of mid line axis!

Try clicking 10 mm from nose at mid-line head axis! See what happens when stimulus is RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!

What is happening?

All of you are very smart and effective problem solvers, but something is "keeping" you in the box!

This demonstration should help you!

Enjoy!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:55:54 GMT

This goes from bad to worse!! Migratory tendencies? Haha.

"What happens in November?" Well, this year I will be counting down the days until it gets cold enough to make snow! Of course, here in America we will have Thanksgiving. ;)

I see much greater minds than mine at work here. :)

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:56:27 GMT

There's a pattern emerging here;

Mind you I wish Ellistine wins so that he can "tell" other skiers what it feels like to ski on a "hot" ski!

HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT
Dam another hint!

Think what else did you say to show me how you think Mike? HOT!

However, as per usual, the more Hints he gives us the more frustrated I get.

Wow - Page 7!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:12:42 GMT

I can't wait for all this to be over and then we can start talking about carving and steeps and all those interesting things that I CAN get my head around :P

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:32:45 GMT

This is my last input. From now on I'm a spectator on this thread (probably) - for my own sanity! Yesterday in Cornwall I think the rest of the party thought I was sulking. Infact I was just deep in thought about this darned number after looking up the latest hints on my mobile phone.

So...

The number is 0.

My reasoning; You select a series of criteria. In the case of skis this could include length, performance, graphics, price etc etc. You then decide what your ideal ski would consist of. As your ideal ski never exists you have to choose from a selection of ski models/brands etc. You rate each ski in each criteria giving it a value either side of 0 ie -1 or +1. If the ski is more than you would like to pay you give it a -0 if it's less you give it a +0. Once you have completed your analyse of each ski you add together all the -1 and +1 to come up with a score. The highest score wins!

Speak to you all on June the 11th (probably - I can't imagin I'd really be able to keep quiet until then)

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:29:09 GMT

Ellistine,

What can I say to "motivate" you to continue! So close yet .....

One way or another I want to reward your effort, your sleepless nights and your "patient" wife that has endured your "troubled mind""

I promise if ever you come to Canada to ski, I will lend you these skis ( if you do not win them) for the duration of the holiday!

O is an index?

I do not know what you do as living but I am sure you have across indices in all sorts of situations. Typically they represent in a short easy manner some "complex" activity, some complex relationship, some "snapshot" of market activity, some research finding.

Is not statistics means to make "understanding" decisions from complex numerous data?

This is where you should all ask cpavel ( that Ph.d student also skier) to give you input on the mind of the culprit!

Learning is so wonderful.

Do the experiment. It might give you insight!

This is becoming more difficult for me since I see the answer everywhere!!!!!!

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:14:36 GMT

pavelski wrote:

Learning is so wonderful.

Sometimes it helps to read our own posts.

I just did that and it want to offer this.

The Pavel Index is in reality an index which describes how we know our own ability!

If we don't know how "good" or how "not so good" we really are when it comes to handling the skis it could indeed become a dangerous sport. If we try to make ourselves out to be better than we are then it could cost us a lot of money in may ways We might buy the skis which we can't handle, we could become injured and injuries are expensive. Pavel wouldn't let us on the hill if we didn't know if we could handle it or not. If we aren't used to a highly powered sports car nor a high performance ski we could be in trouble
If we don't know how to fly a fighter jet, then we shouldn't get behind the controls; if we can't swim, we should keep out of the deep water. We must be true to ourselves and then we can enjoy the learning (which is another hint!) and move up the Pavel Index from 1 = beginner to 4= expert. It is all about the skis if we know which ski to "drive"

Mike :wink: :!:

EDIT EDIT *********************************** EDIT EDIT

I have just realized that I have infact deleted a really good answer to which I refered above as "reading our own posts....... It really was a good answer too!!! I must try to re-build it later....

EDIT EDIT *********************************** EDIT EDIT
:P

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:42:41 GMT

Looking back at some of today's hints.

The person pointing to where the sound came from is LEARNING

We cannot get out side of the box because we are not LEARNING from our past posts

And the other aspect to which Pavel refers to something I told him was of how I had felt I had LEARNED more this year and also how I felt I had so much to learn... I recognized my ability had a lot to grow.

So despite I feel many of all of our answers had in many ways answered the original clues, perhaps the Pavel Index has as much to do with our learning curve (bell curve - gaussian distribution) as much as our own knowledge of how we would rate as beginner to advanced skier.

As we learn we can save money by not making the same mistakes twice, our skiing will improve as we learn how to use our learning index to the fullest. If our learning is mindful and we do in fact truly learn from our mistakes then the Pavel Index may be a natural log function where the final level attained is infinite as we learn exponentially if the reward is perceived as worth the effort. Learning produces knowledge! And if we have learned anything from the Pavel quizz it is that we need deep thinking ability to gain the knowledge to reach the pinicales we wish to attain.

Maybe a more pondering sleepless night tonight. Possibly I will dream of Pavel at his computer typing out the answer in preparation for June 11. I'm sure he is dreaming of all of us trying. He probably has to explain to his wife in the morning why he has such a solid grin on the awakening face!.

Mike

:P

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:03:52 GMT

Hey Mike,

You might add to that our synergy with our skis. For example, right now I have Volkl Supersport S4's. I feel that they are a very good match for my current ability. They "push" me a little bit, I have to improve to really make them work. Whereas, if I had the Mutix's being discussed, they would be way beyond my current ability. I would end up doing circles on the way down! :D Admittedly, I would something a little quicker every now and then, but the first time I used my Volkl's I had some painful lessons about getting too far back. :)

And Ellistine, you better not be giving up!! Haha.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:19:29 GMT

Pavel wrote:
For you well "educated" skiers these numbers are nominal, some interval and one is the product of the Gaussian distribution! Hope I have wet your intellectual appetit!
It is these numbers that give skiers peace of mind! Once you will find out these numbers you wiil understand.

peace of mind? it certainly has to do with buying or having the right ski for yourself.
product of the gaussian distribution? a probability then.
november? many buy skis new season skis in november in the north hemisphere right?
i would say it is the probability skier adjusting to the new ski. therefore, the index would be a list of skis in columns and a list of ski level in rows. when using it, you should find your ski level and ski your planning to buy in the table and see the odds of that ski fitting you. for example, a level 1 skier would find a forgiveful ski pavel index number close to 100% and a race ski pavel index number close to 0%.
certainly you've made a very hard quizz here pavel! it's difficulty its only exceeded by the intrigue and interest it generates. congratulations!
cya and good luck.
agus lopez

P.D: i live in south america (almost ski season here) and therefore with migratory tendencies i think he meant i was close.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:51:13 GMT

Looking at the clues or hints I'm "thinking" that we are delving too deeply into meanings that may not be there. Pavel says the answer is so obvious. Knowing Pavel as I do, I know he is throughly enjoying (in a good way) our struggles. He enjoys studying how people behave and why they behave the way they do. He feeds us a clue with complete expectation on who will bring what answers due to the hint. He has a game running on the side of all of this just for his own entertainment. I expect he is keeping a tally of who responds the way he expected or not. Retirement must be a lonely time when the snow melts :D

As I menmtioned earlier Pavel is a thinker and from that he is a planner. He says "think like me..." The clues offered of how I use the index, Ellistine is sure to have used the index, Agusl would loved to have had the index and Dshenberger will use it in November. Heck ... he will use it a lot sooner than November. With my present offering, "November" is a Red Herring ... a clue to throw us off the scent...

Don't you love my long winded replies :?: :D

OK, Pavel plans for future needs and part of this is going on his yearly "hunts" for overstocked ski related items at the end of a ski season. He is planning for his furure needs. When I bought the car I was planning for the ski transporting need. I don't care for the roof rack system. When we buy a house we assess and plan for the future costs and maintenance needs....

Stick with me ... I'm almost there... :wink:

So, as in past Pavel Quizzes, just as in this one.... I have wandered all over the place. Checking any remote thought I have with our friend Mr. Google & company; I have lost sleep and work hours, my wife has been driven to submit answers - just to maintain a level of sanity (but we did very much enjoy your visit Pavel!)., and provided overly wordy answers.

So now, if you were a planning type of person - which we all are to some extent - wouldn't you like to see the people to whom you were selling a lift ticket, to have a plan --- even if that plan was to enjoy a day's skiing?

I submit with this reply that the index is the FNI (Future Needs Index) in skiing terms this WILL be called the Pavel Index. It is a means of predicting future needs based on stastical studies of skiers' learning curves and their progression - a Gaussian curve (plotted data of the typical skier).

95% of the skiers use this (without even knowing it (?)). This tells us that 95% of the skiers are typical and will have future needs. If we didn't realize this, then we are not the planners of which Pavel would be proud.

WE have future needs ... paint the house every so often, get a new car WHICH WILL HOLD THE SKIS meeting future needs.

If we use the FNI or as it is now known, the PI we know we must plan for our future needs now (or in November). If Agusl had applied this value he would be glad he had. :(

If we think we are normal typical skiers then we are amoung the 95% = FNI and would hasten to save money by planning NOW as we learn along the path of life!! One aspect of this index I'm saving until the next chapter is how the Pavel Index uses the stastical analysis of how we learn and thereby our future needs can change from year to year. The learning curve makes the PI (or Planning Index) a little trickier to explain clearly.

And you thought my past answers have been a stretch..... but this answer too is subject to modification :!:

Skiing is all for the fun and so is the Great Pavel Quizz!!!

Mike :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 2 Jun 2007 02:13:29 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:And Ellistine, you better not be giving up!! Haha.

Do you know what? I've been to the pub tonight on the harbour side, patio heaters on for a bit of warmth and a full moon. Life is good and I never thought about the elusive fifth number once!

Pavel you are a star though because without this thread, as big as the internet is, I don't think I would have found anything else as intriguing to read.

P.S. It's 1am and I've just been up in the shed sraping the wax from my skis ready for a blast at the dry slope tomorrow. That's Pavels fault too! :thumbup:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 2 Jun 2007 02:24:55 GMT

ellistine wrote:

Dshenberger wrote:And Ellistine, you better not be giving up!! Haha.

Do you know what? I've been to the pub tonight on the harbour side, patio heaters on for a bit of warmth and a full moon. Life is good and I never thought about the elusive fifth number once!

Pavel you are a star though because without this thread, as big as the internet is, I don't think I would have found anything else as intriguing to read.

P.S. It's 1am and I've just been up in the shed sraping the wax from my skis ready for a blast at the dry slope tomorrow. That's Pavels fault too! :thumbup:

I noticed your post and noticed the time saying to my self (a sign of the Pavel Quiozz ie. talking to yourself!) There's a post from Ellistine and it is 1:15 in England! Guess he's keen after all!

It would be nice to go skiing tomorrow even if not on snow ... it would be different ... but nice. Have a good time!!

Mike :D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 2 Jun 2007 02:44:50 GMT

You fellows are sooo good and you do not even know it. Agus I hope you read your messages after you get answers.

You must be reading my mind!

The quiz is fun AND once you get the Pavel index I promise you all that you will use it on your next pair of skis! ( and thus sleep well at night, knowing you used the index correctly)

As far as Mike is concerned, as always a "few pellets" hitting the mark in your shotgun technique. The problem which pellet?

This is serious stuff here Mike! I would not want the site administrator Dave to charge me with "corrupting" his guests! I promise no red herrings here! All clues will reveal that I tried ( with great difficulty) to lead you all to free Mutix skis!

I had my wife check all 'hints" before they were submitted and she accepted each one! Mind you she knows how I think!

We now have a wall board with your names on it and we have bets who will get the skis!

Ellistine was the great favorite and my son was sure he would win! According to him Ellistine has the energy of a new skier! The stamina of a camel and the focus of an eagle on the hunt!
PS Ellistine my son is really really sad you are watching only. He told me that if he had your telephone number he would call you to give you more hints!!!!

The dark horse Dshenberger seem to get his second wind,,,,then silence! We suspect he is lurking, waiting till the last hour, like on EBAY then make his move! Smart man!

Mike you have "hit" the target so many times I have myself sleepless nights! The hits often are secondary hits bouncing off a remark! Or is it a word?

5 values. All related to skis. All essential to the modern skier.
Many of those values , if not all, will make a contented skier, a wise skier, a smart skier.

Knowing these 5 values will attract other skiers to come to you for advice!

June 10

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 2 Jun 2007 03:24:45 GMT

mmm i run out of ideas... it is a very hard quizz... i'll think something out for tomorrow.
good luck in your thoughts to you all.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:34:23 GMT

I don't know how much of a dark horse I am. I think more like an old nag! :) Don't worry, I have no pouncing to do.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:41:18 GMT

Just a qiuck shot from my single shot BB gun!!

We have been searching for the Pavel Index. We have discussed how Pavel thinks, how to think is to reason, how reasoning is how we learn and all of this brings knowledge. If we have knowledge (in this case as related to skis) we will be contented skiers, being wise and smart skiers indicates we must have knowledge. So....

The Pavel Index is a rating of a skiers "level of ski knowledge".

I proudly have a certificate displayed in my office which Pavel had sent me after the very first ski quizz I had entered. This certificate states I had attained LEVEL 2 in Ski Knowledge. The first quizz delt with older bindings.

So we apply our ski knowledge level when we look for skis.

The Pavel Index gives us this magic number based on our learning that experience brings. It is a statistical distribution but when we find our own level it will save us lots of money.

And who but the knowledgable do we seek when in need of advice :?:

Mike :wink:

(Now back to more thought... - and a re-load)

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:08:47 GMT

Pavel said:

" Mike you have "hit" the target so many times I have myself sleepless nights! The hits often are secondary hits bouncing off a remark! Or is it a word?"

Okay ....

It is becoming a quizz of semantics !!!

To experience anything is to learn and to learn is to gain knowledge and if we have knowledge then we are CONFIDENT !

Could the Pavel Index be an index where a skier's confidence level has a number.

Level #1 = beginner learning but not confident.

Level #2 = still learning and becoming knowledgable with some confidence creeping in.

Level # 3 = a bit more knwoledge and a bit more confident to share knowledge of techniques and gear - the skis

Level #4 = Advanced knowledge and gaining confidence rapidly - just like a Level IV ski instructor !!

Level #5 = inner santum skier with great knowledge and Confidence.

PI = Confidence Level Index. We use this confidence to ski, to share knowledge, to buy wisely - since we are smart skiers
:!:

Mike :P

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:13:39 GMT

I have a proposition to you all!

I have just discovered that I am going on holiday on the week of June 10th. With your approval (from the members that have actively participated in this "activity" I would like to present answers this Friday!

If you all accept, then each member can present his final 5 numbers with comments on each on Thursday night. If a member gets all five, I will send the Mutix skis to him. That is my reward for the "interesting" exchange we have had!

On Friday I will post answers with comments with all your approval!

Would you all please respond to this request.

My wife would appreciate going to the coast with her!

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:41:56 GMT

pavelski wrote:I have a proposition to you all!

I have just discovered that I am going on holiday on the week of June 10th. With your approval (from the members that have actively participated in this "activity" I would like to present answers this Friday!

If you all accept, then each member can present his final 5 numbers with comments on each on Thursday night. If a member gets all five, I will send the Mutix skis to him. That is my reward for the "interesting" exchange we have had!

On Friday I will post answers with comments with all your approval!

Would you all please respond to this request.

My wife would appreciate going to the coast with her!

I guess I will have to think a bit harder then !!! The 2007 Pavel Springtime Quizz will be concluding a few hours early .... but as sad as it will be for this exchange to conclude it will be really nice to get a good sleep.

Pavel, have you noticed the number of views this quizz has generated? Last count was about 1274 ! Now, that's the magic your quizz has brought about !!!

Have a great trip, :P

Mike :wink:

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:41:39 GMT

Sunday morning has arrived in North America and it is another day to accept the challenge of the Pavel Quizz ... still a fun thing!

I have had yet another sleepless night but it has produced another "game plan".

I will be offering shorter answers at frequent intervals over the day.

Yes, the lawn needs cutting, the car should be washed, I had planned to repair a shed roof today, and there are other things that WERE planned for today ... but... the QUIZZ is still on! We are running out of time....

In the past 8 hours or so there have been an additional 43 views of this thread!! (I was spending another sleepless night so those 43 views didn't come from me.) I'm sure there are many out there lurking with the answer at the ready. Like Pavel suggested - "the eBay" strategy ! I'm quite new to the j2ski site but for a thread to cover 8 pages with better than 100 replies and over 1300 views in a matter 14 days is something which I think is remarkable. It must be in fact that we enjoy THINKING and LEARNING and in turn becoming CONFIDENT through the KNOWLEDGE we have gained by this lively exchange of ideas.

For my next venture into the "deep" tune in a bit later.

Mike :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:52:55 GMT

Mike,

Fine you are on list as "accepting" Thursaday's deadline and presentation of all five numbers to all "active" members of this discussions.

Notice "active" members site membership. This is to reward all those who "suffered" the stress of thinking during meetings, sleepless nights, broken dates, long searches in the back of the mind.

The active members will get 4 of numbers on general chat site and the final "mind breaking" figure will be given on PM due to its "power" to the holder of this knowledge. Such knowledge is not passed on to all! You will understand once you get this "number" and instructions how to use it!

Now I have really wet your appetites!

The waiting will be worth it!

Have you seen "Star Wars"? Well, the power is within you, but you must learn to channel it in the skiing context. That is what this number will do!

Thursday June 7 2007 Deadline.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 15:48:54 GMT

One very quick shot at one of the numbers!!

That number being : " 1 ". The significance behind this nuumber and why it is a magic number. -- a number is considered magic when it is connected to something magical. the skis are magical if we maintain them through waxing and tuning each day we ski on them. That is to say 1 is the number of days we can use the skis (feeling magical results) between waxing & tunings.

Don't forget this is a Pavel Quizz and he tunes his skis everyday he uses them! Therefore 1 is a magic number.

More to come...

Mike :D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 18:36:58 GMT

Another very quick shot at one of the numbers!!

It may be all about the skis but it may be all about statistical sampling too. The skis being the sample. Like Agusl, I think, was suggesting, I'm thinking we are talking about ski selection based on the Confidence Interval of 90%. When we know how to use the "Z" tables related to large samples (when the standard deviation is not known and must be approximated) we will be able to sleep at night knowing we have selected a good ski based on soild mathematical calculations. The trick is learning to use the associated mathematics. And what is more magical than mathematics - other than skiing, of course.

Now being a confident skier I try to share what I may know (or may not know) and that's why this is offered. Just to complicate the quizz a bit more and draw out even more fun!!!

More to come... but since I'm here now, let's say for a 90% Confidence Interval we use a Z value of 1.645 (from a Z value table) and this is used to study the sample when considering a 90% CI.

And if this isn't stuff from Star Wars ... what is??

Mike :D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:36:44 GMT

And my fartherest fetched shot yet :!:

The # 8 is a magic number because we will remember this quizz based on that number and all the things we learned of skiing, of Pavel, of and all the players.. Now you think I've really lost it :wink:

No... I lost it long ago while Ellistine was on the road to Cornwall.

Look at the hints and how often the number 8 came into play. Quite often the number of letters in words I or others suggested have 8 letters; Some words that have 8 letters that come to mind and were "remarks or words" my pellets bounced off to the target are those like; informed, improved, and learning. Did you notice the number of times Pavel typed "HOT" at one point. Yes ... 8 times. Did you notice the number of dots after his phrase of what I told him I had felt after the ski season. I had told him I felt improved, an 8 letter word and one dot for each letter. Do you remember the hint directed to me that what impressed Pavel would lead me to the skis. Maybe he was impressed by me having an "open mind" ... gee that's another 8 letters. So it is the learning and the things that recalls that learning. If you have read this reply I think you will associate the # 8 with a ski quizz where some "guy" from Nova Scotia rambelled on and on with far fetched thinking. There, that's another 8 letter word (thinking)!!! Just like Pavel's hints - I can't stop them.

But remember, I have met our great quizzmaster Pavel - himself!! I have some idea how he thinks. He is always planning. OK you saw that didn't you. planning - 8 more letters Do you think with Pavels quizz I've become ,...a.... obsessed (yeah - 8 letters).

More later ...

Mike :roll:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:21:23 GMT

Mike, I am amazed at your dedication to figuring this thing out! Wow, to sit around finding 8 letter words. :)

Pavel, It is fine with me if you end it early. All the better, actually(look! 8 letters;). I will NOT be posting a list. As I don't feel I had any original ideas of substance. I am very much looking forward to receiving the 5th "magic number"!

Take care,
Dean

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:48:58 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Mike, I am amazed at your dedication to figuring this thing out! Wow, to sit around finding 8 letter words. :)

Pavel, It is fine with me if you end it early. All the better, actually(look! 8 letters;). I will NOT be posting a list. As I don't feel I had any original ideas of substance. I am very much looking forward to receiving the 5th "magic number"!

Take care,
Dean

Dean :!: don't leave -- the game isn't over yet :!: I'm just getting warmed up and shifting into a higher gear. When you start talking to yourself it is a sign there is a Pavel quizz underway and when the quizz starts to get very d e e p some people do different things. I, myself, start counting letters and begin to try harder to think more like our quizzmaster. If a fly lands in front of me I feel there is a reason morre than he was just tired. He landed there for a specific reason. Every letter Pavel typed comes under the microscope. Remember a while ago he had a clue with what I'm taking to be a typo? Something like "correct" and it appeared as "correc6t" Was the "6" a clue or was it a typo. I make enough typos so I should recognize them!! Was 6 a magic number. I have a few more thoughts yet and then there is the "good" one I deleted in error which I'm trying to re-construct. Agusl's was along the same line.. And I'll be very suprised if your 4 to 9 are not amoung the magic numbers, Dean. I plan to stick with 4 as one of them right now.

Have you noticed that even on a Sunday the viewing count increases about by 50 so far today. This qiuzz is receiving close to 100 views per day and only about 30 of them are from me :wink:

The answers are extremely simple and like the "internet demo" with the snapping fingers, they are right in front of our noses and we will jump when we see them. If you want to hide something - put it in plain sight :!: Right Pavel :?:

This is so exciting, frustrating and fun - all at once. What a challenge! (too many letters.)

More a bit later,

Mike :P

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:04:49 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Mike, I am amazed at your dedication to figuring this thing out! Wow, to sit around finding 8 letter words. :)

Pavel, It is fine with me if you end it early. All the better, actually(look! 8 letters;). I will NOT be posting a list. As I don't feel I had any original ideas of substance. I am very much looking forward to receiving the 5th "magic number"!

Take care,
Dean

Dean?, Dean, ... hello Dean? are you there?

Tell me please, are you enrolled in a snowboarder's instructors course come November. Baybe a two part course? The clue was "November, November"

The answer is right in fron of you.

Mike

:lol:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:10:49 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Mike, I am amazed at your dedication to figuring this thing out! Wow, to sit around finding 8 letter words. :)

Pavel, It is fine with me if you end it early. All the better, actually(look! 8 letters;). I will NOT be posting a list. As I don't feel I had any original ideas of substance. I am very much looking forward to receiving the 5th "magic number"!

Take care,
Dean

Dean?, Dean, ... hello Dean? are you there?

Tell me please, are you enrolled in a snowboarder's instructors course come November. Maybe a two part course? The clue was "November, November"

The answer is right in fron of you.

Mike

:lol:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:21:27 GMT

Pavel wrote:Fine you are on list as "accepting" Thursaday's deadline and presentation of all five numbers to all "active" members of this discussions.

Put me down for having a pop shot on Thursday too. If only to make sure I get the answer!

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:01:00 GMT

The only person who has not re^lied is Agus. If you all do not mind I will make Thrusday as the final date. Anyone can send 5 numbers all skiers SHOULD know with a brief explanation!

First person who gets all five will get the Rossignold Mutix free!

Friday I will give five numbers to the members that have sent a series of numbers!

Go for it Angus!!!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:51:34 GMT

i agree with deadline change: the sooner the better! there's pretty small chance that i get the 5th number... however, i will make my guess on thursday... im deeply thinking which it will be.
looking forward to knowing the number! good luck to all in getting it!
cya

P.D: Nice aproach in the 8 thing Mike, there must be something hidden there. keep the good work up! good luck!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:36:49 GMT

agusl wrote:

P.D: Nice aproach in the 8 thing Mike, there must be something hidden there. keep the good work up! good luck!

Thanks agusl. I can almost see Pavel typing his hints with a big grin on his face, knowing full well his Mutix skis are safe in his basement ski storage locker. He really is enjoying this. He loves to study people and how they think. And with the snapping fingers demo I first thought the person was learning how to listen, perhaps they are learning as the pointing becomes more definite. They are expecting a sound for sure and expecting they must react. But now I see how his meaning was to show us that the answer is right in front of us and we will jump in shock of how simple it is. Yeah, Pavel is loving this. (Judy and I did the experiment.)

Good luck to you too and the others. And Rossignol is happy for this quizz too. Look at the "free" advertising they have received thanks to Pavel's great quizz. I wonder how many of the 1425 views to this thread in the past two weeks have promtpted people to look up the Mutix ski. Many I expect.

Mike :-)

Final days

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:49:30 GMT

The end of the "suffering" is near.

All candidates must submit 5 numbers by Thursday!

Mike really the skis are for grabs, I really am surprised that you did not get it ( of all people that checks everything), you the engineer that re-calculates and looks at all the options, you the man that once showed me........... ( with pride in your face)!

It really is in front of all your faces!!!

PS
I even had a phone call from a skier that wanted to tell me the answers right away! You must post all answers so that others will witness "correct" items!

No Rossignol did not "donate" skis for this quiz. They are the "left-over" stock from testing program!

Wish you all the very best luck!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:20:57 GMT

Don't worry Mike, I am still here. :)

No, I am not signed up for any board courses. That is one thing I found a little unusual - I only boarded twice this year, yet Pavel made a point of mentioning it. I wonder why???? I doubt if my resort will even have any snow in November. I will probably be signing up as a mountain host again this year so I can ski free, but I don't know what else I will be doing! Dreaming about the first cold snap?

Some of the issues I was having on the board were: needing to initiate turns with my body, FALLING (a lot!), lack of trust, not able to keep my weight forward.

I was thinking about buying a board. . . But Pavel would have to have read my mind to know that! ;)

Maybe I will try to put a list together.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:23:44 GMT

Dshenberger, what is your area?

Final days

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:52:38 GMT

pavelski wrote:The end of the "suffering" is near.

All candidates must submit 5 numbers by Thursday!

Mike really the skis are for grabs, I really am surprised that you did not get it ( of all people that checks everything), you the engineer that re-calculates and looks at all the options, you the man that once showed me........... ( with pride in your face)!

It really is in front of all your faces!!!

PS
I even had a phone call from a skier that wanted to tell me the answers right away! You must post all answers so that others will witness "correct" items!

No Rossignol did not "donate" skis for this quiz. They are the "left-over" stock from testing program!

Wish you all the very best luck!

Suffering :?: What Suffering... there is no suffering here :!: Is there :?:

I didn't think so ... and that is because we are skiers :!: We take on a challenge with a smile on our faces :!: And if that challenge isn't on a "dangerous" steep slope then where better to have a challenge than with a Pavel Quizz :?: Don't you all agree with me guys? Well maybe Ellistine is wavering a bit ... but just a bit.

I had forgotten that I had showed Pavel the self propelled hydraulic boat hoist I had design and built for a local marina. It was a fun project and at times even more frustrating than this quizz may have been to some. But the result of seeing a 40 foot yacht being hoisted from the water and driven to its winter cradle made the effort all worth it. The reward, - the emotional one. Just like when we all learn the final number.

As far as the quizz goes, my amo is starting to run "dangerously" low. And with each reply from Pavel I can see the reply I deleted was soooo close. I must step back and "re-assess" the clues once more. No, I din't mean that Rossignol donated the skis but they are like my bouncing pellets; in that they have received some attention due to the quizz. They should thank you Pavel just like the lucky winner will.

So do you all think what I'm thinking ??? I thought you may be , beacuse we are learning about Pavel as we go through this exercise. We are "learning" how to identify hints more and more easily. Do any of you see the magic number presented in the last post (aka Hint) from our quizzmaster?

One of the magic numbers must be Pavel's telephone number !!! (And I know the number ... fear not Pavel - I will keep it a secret.- It may just be worth a pair of Mutix skis) :wink:

Mike

PS; Pavel, I can imagine you can "see" all the charts I have spread over my desk related to the quizz ... yes I'm "re-calculating" everything! The prize is worth it - physically and emotionally ... and especially financially :!: :wink:

PPS: If any of you have the need for a boat hoist design for a marina ... send me a message !!! :wink:

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:57:51 GMT

test reply

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:17:48 GMT

Receiving loud and clear!

Unlike some of your other messages in this thread :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:36:21 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Don't worry Mike, I am still here. :)

No, I am not signed up for any board courses. That is one thing I found a little unusual - I only boarded twice this year, yet Pavel made a point of mentioning it. I wonder why???? I doubt if my resort will even have any snow in November. I will probably be signing up as a mountain host again this year so I can ski free, but I don't know what else I will be doing! Dreaming about the first cold snap?

Some of the issues I was having on the board were: needing to initiate turns with my body, FALLING (a lot!), lack of trust, not able to keep my weight forward.

I was thinking about buying a board. . . But Pavel would have to have read my mind to know that! ;)

Maybe I will try to put a list together.

That tells me another potential magic number Dean!!!!!

November also has eight letters and since you boarded twice and he listed November twice then I think something magical and ski related will happen in 2008, and this makes 2008 a magic number. But my problem is I don't know what will happen then other than the beginning of another ski season. (Generally my first day skiing is on New Years Day.) I had 2008 on my potential list and these clues are a bit more than by happen-chance in my grasping state. When you said you boarded only twice, a shiver went down my spine. :shock:

But you have a plan for November which will keep you going for 2008 ... you are planning for your future needs. What's magical for you is unique just as all our skis are to each of us. D E E E E P !!!!

Mike

PS: You've played this long so you should put a list together. It's more fun having a bunch of learning skiers to play with. And Ellistine is back in it too

:D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:46:53 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Some of the issues I was having on the board were: needing to initiate turns with my body, FALLING (a lot!), lack of trust, not able to keep my weight forward.

Give it up... Skiing's the future 8)

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:07:18 GMT

pavelski wrote:test reply

It is time to rebuild my deleted (by error) reply. An why now? Because Pavel is starting to give the answer away even more clearly. Yes Ellistine I saw that too!!!

The Pavel Index is as he has "suggested" a way to list a bunch of data in a way that is easy to understand.

Pavel tests skis - we all know this. His has shouted for us to recognize this in the last clue ... "test reply". He is at his computer puzzelled on how to show us the answer without showing us the answer!

He tests skis for all level of skiers based on several criteria and options. He then reports on his findings in a way where the interested skier may receive his suggestions and recommendations. There are so many skis out there that for the first time buyer and even the "seasoned" buyer it can be like buying a house - a "daunting mind numbing" experience.

So if we use the Pavel Index we will save money and time and end up with a ski suitable to our ability and needs.... we will be confident and sleep well.

Now for that number we must realize that we are all different and must therefore realize that my magic number will differ from Dean's or for Ellistine's of from Agusl's. Our ability is something Pavel doesn't know until he skis with us. His index rates the ski and conditions of application for the percieved ability for a given number.
So the magic number is 5 and it's meaning is the Pavel Index which has sub categories for the different level of skier. When we look for skis we will remember 5 as being the PI and when we have this index we will purchase skis confidently. We will get the best deal because the ski will suit us and be safe for our ability.

I'm still reaching ... but it has been a long 2 weeks!!

More to come .... this is getting like an eBay aution close!!

I did show Pavel a set of bindings I bought through eBay and a good price .. and I was proud of this ... hmmmm another hint ???

Mike

:roll:

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:50:09 GMT

I'm going to offer my first carck at the five numbers and if I don't hear from Pavel I'll reload my almost worn out shot gun in time for Thursday.

Think about when we go to buy skis. Possibly we have some ideas what we want or would like. Undeucated ideas until this quizz!).

We go into the store and see all these lovely skis displayed on the wall. Where to start? The loudest coloured ski will grab our attention. Buying is a fulfillment of an emotional need and the marketing experts know this. Make it lively - and they will come. We touch the ski we like the look of, we lift the ski to check the weight, we twist and ben the ski. Are all the factors withing what we think we can handle. We find a length that look good. If we are a bit wiser we will search out all that has been said about the ski through reviews. If Ellistine "tell" us how he liked the Mutix in his review we will try to find out what kind of skier he is to compare him to ourselves. We are searching for an answer to the question "how will it suit our ability?"
And this is what the Pavel Index tells us. It is the most important number we should know as it tells the most useful information in a simple and concise manner. It is the 5th number we must know and as such let's assign it #5

So the numbers:

1. the number is 1 which is the number of ski days between waxing or tune-up in order for the skiing to be the best of magical times.

2.. the skis serial #, like 873420081, which is a unique number and therefore magical in the case of a lost or misplaced ski. It may help with the peace of mind issues. We lock up our skis and head inside hoping someone (with evil intentions) and with a cutting tool didn't watch us. But if they did and follow through we will have our serial # to fall back on.

3. Pavel's home telephone number a number like 1-800- 555 - 5555. Knowing this numbers would certainly have other skiers being "gobsmaked" by our knowledge.

4. I still think 4 is a magic number in that it represents the 4th month, April as the best time to get the best money saving deal.

5. 5 the number I suggest represents the Pavel Index as explained above. The Pavel Index is certainly a study in statistics. He tests a single ski set of a model, but there are hundreds of that model out there. His analysis is based on a confidence interval where the quality control at the manufacturing plant states one thing and Pavel's tests a sample ski to see if he agrees with what they are saying. He is both the committed skier and in this case he is also the "sampler"

And that's it from Nova Scotia on a cloudy Monday afternoon.

Mike

wink: :P

Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:33:59 GMT

I think I have knocked the best parts of the thought right out of my mind from all the banging on the forehead ... :(

But here goes for the 5th number.

This 5th number is used in conjunction with the Pavel Index. The Pavel Index is a list of the test results through his own "secret" method of Multiple Comparisons . It includes all the parameters of the ski ( flex, sidecut, radius, weight, length, and all the physical elements we base our selection upon) for comparision in different catageories then the index presents the findings in a ranking system as related to skier's ability. Now come November we are getting into high gear and preparing for the new season (even though we should have done this in April) We are studying the reviews and ski guides. In order to plan in a practical and realistic means for real situations we use the 95th percentile as a guide for ski selection. This is a good number to use for planning so that we can ensure we have what's needed for 95% of the time. In my "research" I found this: " ... 95 is a magic number used (in networking) because you have to plan for the most of the time case...."

Therefore I'm saying we use 95 to calulate the ranking of the best of ski as set out in the Pavel Index. We then take from the PI those ranked skis for our first choice list. We find the skis ranked in this percentile by the equation; R = .01P (N + 1) where R is the ranking of the sampled ski on Pavel's index; P is the 95% magic number value; N is the number of skis Pavel has sampled, reviewed and ranked in his Index. His index is like the ski guides we study in November as we really start thinking about skiing.

So 95 is my 5th magic number .... for now at least. It is all statiistics based on lots of sampling and the way Pavel may have conducted his "Multiple Comparisions by Rerandomization tests". It was amoung the first of the hints. It is not that we are part of the 95% of skiers it is that we will be part of the 5% that are above ...

And that's enough damage for one day.

:wink:

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:53:30 GMT

ellistine wrote:

Dshenberger wrote:Some of the issues I was having on the board were: needing to initiate turns with my body, FALLING (a lot!), lack of trust, not able to keep my weight forward.

Give it up... Skiing's the future 8)

Ohhh, careful Ellistine. Isn't it better to have an open mind and an open skill set so that we can tackle anything we put our mind to? About 6 or 7 years ago I first read Pavel's wise offerings on another ski site. He had mentioned that he frequented a certain hill in Canada. This hill posted a "daily picture" and one day (almost at season's end) the picture was of a man and a lady. The man resembled the description Pavel had offered of himself in the vaguest of terms. The man in the picture was clutching a snowboard. My first reaction or thought was "Could this be the great Pavel of whom I had been reading The Pavel with skiing techinique and tuning tips?" But he had a snowboard !! Couldn't be... say it's not so... So I posted the question on the site I knew he frequented and it turned out to in fact be our great mentor in the springtime picture. These were the days when I was asking if were better to wax the skis with red candle wax or white candle wax. A long time ago - well before I was introduced to the Pavel quizz and long before I had the good fortune to meet him.

So skiing may be the way we like to get down the hill right now but who knows what tomorrow might bring! I'd love to try it but the winters are too short and I never tire of the skis!

Mike :lol:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:35:34 GMT

Mike,

I can't even take time right now to read all your stuff! I just can't wait to see this number!!

Ellistine,

I live in Maryland, but the Mason-Dixon line runs through our property, so, PA isn't far. :) Oh, and don't worry about me switching to boarding. :) Skiing is much more fun FOR ME!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:07:52 GMT

Dshenberger wrote:Mike,

I can't even take time right now to read all your stuff! I just can't wait to see this number!!

Ellistine,

I live in Maryland, but the Mason-Dixon line runs through our property, so, PA isn't far. :) Oh, and don't worry about me switching to boarding. :) Skiing is much more fun FOR ME!

Dean,

Sometimes I haven't time to re-read it myself! Did you go Pimlico for the Preakness? That was a close race at the end!!!

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:25:30 GMT

Ahhhhh, here we are with just a couple of days left in the quizz period. And my mind is still churning. What have we missed ???

The November hint is still of great concern. What happens in November... why the hint and specifically November. As I have concluded the magical thing about November must be the magic that is brought on when we see the reviews of the next year's skis. It is like it is in September when the next year's car models come out. There is something exciting and magical with the anticipation that is in the air. So maybe the "8" clue (if it actually was a hint and the two Novembers do if fact refer to 2008. 2008 will be the next model year for the gear and the news of this equipment is being made known in November (with all the magic this news brings). And this makes 11 another magic number. If 4 can represent April for the best time to buy, why not can't 11 represent November as the time to study the reviews?

Boy that elastic band is just about stretched to the limit!!

What do you all think :?: I'm just about all "reasoned" out.

Mike :)

PS: And again I find I have deleted a post :!: I must strike the "EDIT" button when I think I'm striking the "Quote" button. Guess this new guy isn't quite up on working the site properly yet. What I deleted was just a preamble to my latest "guess" at the 5th number being "95". Nothing lost really. :!:

What Numbers should I consider!

Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:46:34 GMT

Congratulations Mike, you have broken to all time record of "possible" answers on this chat site ( and I suspect all chat sites).

My problem is what do I consider?

May I suggest that you all state, " This is my FINAL 5 numbers" so that once I have given you the answers you will not revert to a "earlier" suggested answer! ( perhaps because some of you came very very close to the answer).

Believe me this is more difficult on me since I am just about to say, "bravo XYZ you have it,,,,,all that is missing is that FIGURE since you have the concept!

You all know what the "shot gun" technique is by reading Mike's "suggestions" How do you think he "won" the last pair of skis! He wore me out with all his suggestions and possible answers!

Thursday 12 PM British time is deadline for all FINAL 5 figures. Trust me,,,,, do suggest 5 final figures since it will be your key to future ski happiness !

Do propose 5 figures Ellistine!

What Numbers should I consider!

Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:33:10 GMT

pavelski wrote: Congratulations Mike

Thank you Pavel!

At least I have that claim !!

My 5 final numbers will be posted Thursday morning before 9am ADT or noon on the UK clock ... ohhh just like eBay!

Then the real learning will begin when we see the numbers "revealed". So far we have been reasoning, thinking, and re-thinking, for the most part. We will only learn when we see what our mistakes have actually been. We all must feel each of our offerings have had some magical value - or we would not have offered them.

Some numbers are magical to the individual and not another (just like a rainbow ... each time we see a rainbow - it is our very own. No-one else sees it. They see their own. Due to the geometry involved our rainbow is unique to us.) So it will be good to learn these magic numbers ( which must be very general). I'm feeling like the current Suzuki television ad ..."thinking I can handle it..." Another day or so of waiting that is ....

I know I'm out of amo and will try to scrape up enough gun powder for the final number set.

Mike
:P

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:44:16 GMT

Mike, I am just wondering if maybe you are going too far into the "intangible" territory? For example: The dimensions of any given female are concrete - they are not open to interpretation. :) A cars horsepower cannot be interpreted any other way. I don't know much about fishing, but if a pole has a certain "whip potential" it is a solid number. I am thinking we are way off the track. Why would we "engrave" a number into our skis that we would want to change next week? I, obviously, don't know Pavel as well as you, so maybe I am way off here. . .

Anyway. I can't wait 'til Friday!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:20:35 GMT

Dshenberger has it!

A number is a number. It represents a value so that you can make a decision.

A decision that will make you happy!

A wise decision is when you have gathered all the known facts and used these facts to arrive at your goal!

Wise man that Dshenberger.

Makes wise decisions and will make even wiser decisions on Saturday June 9th. 2007!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 6 Jun 2007 02:41:23 GMT

Well, I plan to be in Knoxville, hiking with friends, on Saturday. I wonder what "wise decision" Pavel has forseen?? Apparently, he does read minds! :)

Final days

Wed, 6 Jun 2007 04:09:17 GMT

pavelski wrote:The end of the "suffering" is near.

All candidates must submit 5 numbers by Thursday!

Mike really the skis are for grabs, I really am surprised that you did not get it ( of all people that checks everything), you the engineer that re-calculates and looks at all the options, you the man that once showed me........... ( with pride in your face)!

It really is in front of all your faces!!!

PS
I even had a phone call from a skier that wanted to tell me the answers right away! You must post all answers so that others will witness "correct" items!

No Rossignol did not "donate" skis for this quiz. They are the "left-over" stock from testing program!

Wish you all the very best luck!

I have just had a forehead - palm of my hand encounter I wanted to share with thsoe following this quizz. And since I'm out of amo this one is tossed gently.

One of the magic numbers I'll present with my others on Thursday morning ( unless I can come up with something better ) is indeed right in front of our faces ... if fact if you would all scroll to the top of the page and look to the upper left corner you will see a magic number which is all about the ski and in front of our faces.

The number is "2" as in J2SKI. In this context "2" is a nominal number and this page has brought lots of magic and new friendships.

I hope this is one of the magic numbers... we'll see on Friday.

Mike :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:33:09 GMT

Well, here is my official 5.

If we look at some of his early hints we see:

Car horsepower - I think ski length could apply here.

1. 168cm. To a certain degree denotes how much control a give ski will provide, usually choice is based on physical attributes of the skier.

Female figure - Well, how about ski shape?

2. 114-68-99 Has an effect on how well the ski handles different snow conditions. Also, has a bearing on turning radius.

Fishing rod whip - This one doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but. . .

3. 4 We will call it a ski flex rating. Different manufacturers use different numbers, but in every model series they usually have a number designation that gives an idea of how stiff a ski is in that series.

Tire speed rating - How about turning radius?

4. 14.6 This is a basic measurement of the size of turning circle a given ski will produce when carving. In general the longer the radius, the faster the ski. That is, if all else is equal!

Now the hard one: House buying - There are so many variables, but I am going to stake mine on longevity.

5. 3 seasons. The length of time I think it will take before I am going to "outgrow" my current skis. Skiers who have attained a very high level of proficiency may only need to worry about how long before the ski wears out, but beginners have to weigh a lot more aspects. Ie. getting a ski that is safe at their level, a ski that is affordable enough so that they aren't spending $1200 a year on new skis, ;) and a ski that will let them improve.

That is my final list, whether or not I am way off base! I tried to stick to numbers that are NOT subjective, or open to different interpretation. I feel that gives a certain "universiallity" to these "magic" numbers.

Good Luck all! And thank you, Pavel, for a challenging quiz!

Dean

And the numbers are in

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:59:14 GMT

Thank you Dean.

We must get a prize for the first courageous man who submitted the numbers.

Have a great hike!

Pavel

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 01:04:51 GMT

Pavelski, I can see that you are online. I've been reviewing all your previous hints and do you know what? I haven't got a bleedin' clue!

To quote a well known saying - "I can't see the wood for the trees"

The daft thing is, I was at the dry slope tonight and on Wednesday evenings one of the instructors coaches some of us. Being a hot June evening it wasn't exactly busy out there so it was just me and him. I felt I improved my technique a lot in that hour. I would expect that also has something to do with this number but as I said, I just aint seein' it.

Great Problem Strategy

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:29:02 GMT

Ellistine,

You are learning more than just about skiing! ( in your confusion).

Have you noticed that in situations when we must make decisions and have too much information, the brain can't get "right data"!

Try this, forget the "intellectual" ( the neurons are screaming,,,,"does not compute,,,does not compute" so go for the more basic approach, your gut emotional feeling. That answer is there. You have seen the information. You have once even asked me about that famous last number so it is there in your being!

Just let the numbers come out as YOU FEEL!

I do not know what you do as far as occupation but I am sure you are aware of the line, in the end "it is the bottom line" that is important!

It is so in business and it is so in skiing!

Go for it!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:49:28 GMT

Pavel; Congratulations !! Look at the number of numbers your Quizz has brought to the J2Ski site: 1850 views and 144 answers in the span of about 19 days !!! And these are all cardinal numbers! It was the clue ... "these numbers are nominal" that I missed. It threw me completely off. So much for impressive powers of observation ... I guess

When we rounded the tree I started to scramble since this meant we had made it. But how?

These are my final numbers - my best guess numbers ...

1. January 1, 1999.

This was my first day on skis. It is like a date of birth, or a marriage date. It stands out and I'll likely not forget it. It was a first day, like a first day of life, or a first day of marraiage... and just as nerve racking. The date hints indicated to me you accept a date as a nominal number. Knowing when I began skiing sets a bench mark from which to learn, and hopefully the experiences will bring me knowledge each time on skis. All skiers should know when they began skiing. Often a question on the chair lift too!

2. 911

As a number we all know, whether skiers or not. It is a number which makes us feel safe in hopes if we get in trouble in this dangerous sport then there is emergency help out there. It is like a number of a car registration plate or like a car we may have liked - like a Porsche 911 A skiing friend of mine had a Porsche 911 and when he passed it on he kept the Provincial registration plate of 911 for his next car. These are both examples of nominal numbers in that the identify something rather than indicate size or quantity. My 911 above is an identification number we associate with "HELP" And the clues of phone numbers was clear but some definitions of nominal numbers say serial , telephone and zip codes are not nominal as they are assigned in order rather chosen randomly as a name. Other sources say a telephone number is indeed a nominal number. So assuming since you included the hint of your son calling Ellistine if he had Ellistine's telephone number , and the clue of someone calling you - bringing to mind your telephone number then I assume you accept a telephone number as a nominal number.

3. SX9 As in atomic SX9 in which SX9 is the model of the ski and here 9 is a nominal number in that it is part of the model name of the ski. However 9 is also an indicator of the strength or flex of the ski and as such is a cardinal number if standing alone. And then as the 10 of SX10 indicates a stiffer ski then both 9 and 10 are ordinal numbers in that they might be said to rank the ski in order of stiffness. So we should know the number on our ski and what it means.

4. 101 I'm really weak with this one and admit it (not that the others are much stronger...) I'm calling the ski we want to "grow to" ski 101 in that the ski we ski on very confidently now is skied with 100%confidence. This represents the interval of confidence and "... some interval + "1" is the product of the Gaussian Distribution..." It is somewhere in the 95th percentile and the ski 101 is in that top 5percentile.
As I said at the first my study of probilities and distributions was so long ago that I will stop here before I get in any more trouble on this one.

5. "2" is my 5th number as in "J2ski" as I indicated last night the clues shouted for more observation powers than I tghought I had. It was indeed right in front of our faces. Just up the page a bit. Also this page is called SKI FORUM INDEX. As you indicated an index lists things of complicated naturein a clear and concise way. Your ski reviews are an index of what available in the next year 2 is used here as part of a name and is therefore a nominal number. Your index lists your reviews of ski specifications of length, side cut, radius, probably weight suitable for skier's levels and all the things we look for when we look for a ski. All this information is simplified in a concise manner with recommendations, I expect. So we see on the J2Ski site index of forums where there is no end of matters which are "all about the ski" It is indeed the most important number as it is a source of endless knowledge. When people learn to "use" this site they will enjoy skiing and learning at the same time.

Thank you for your patiance and another tantallizing quizz. I just wish I had some better answers. There is nothing more stimulating than a good mind bending quizz like you generate. I have had a few forehead - palm of the right hand encounters with this ... and expect more Friday.

Whether these numbers are anywhere close it has been fun. And it has been great meeting Ellistine, Dshenberger. Agusl and Freezywater.

Some day we will all end up at the same hill and have a great laugh over this quizz and our frustrations.

Looking forward to the answers... where the learning will begin.

Have a great trip to the coast.

Mike
:wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:03:52 GMT

Good Morning Forum this is London calling with the results of this evenings Pavel Quiz. (Sorry - It's a Eurovision thing).

My Numbers;

Ski Length = 164cm
Am I new to sking and therefore think that extra ski length is just more to have to turn or have I 'seen a few pistes in my time' and think that skis under 190cm are what 12 year old boys ski on. More accuratety, am I Georgio Rocca or Michael Walchoffer.

Radius = 12.2m
This, according to who you speak to, is either the skis natural turning radius or the radius of the Arc of the side cut. I personaly think it's the latter although interestingly (depending on what you find interesting!) the Rossi Mutix quote 2 radius depending on which stiffeners are attached but obviously without the sidecut or length changing.

Width = 122mm/65mm/101mm
The Width of the ski measured at the Tip, middle and the tail. These figures define the shape of the sidecut and hence it's radius or turning ability. You can also play trumps with them - "Tip measurement 122mm - damn you beat me, mines 120mm" etc.

Edge Bevel Angle = 1.5 (soon to be 3) degrees.
Do I want Bridgestone Potenza levels of g-force inducing grip or more of a 'Driving Miss Daisy' whitewall affair with plenty of slide.

Ability VS Capabiltity = 6.
When choosing skis the skiiers ability should be closedly matched to the skis capability. A 'full on' GS ski will do nothing to help a second week skier improve their skiing as the ski has a high built in 'expectation' of the skiers ability. Your ability to ski is measured in a scale from 1 - 9 (on most sites I have looked at anyway). These are;

Level One: "Never-Ever"
Level One skiers are first time skiers who have never skied before.

Level Two
Level Two skiers are cautious novices who are able to do a " snow plow" (wedge) turn both ways and are able to stop, but linking turns smoothly may be difficult. Level Two skiers may have skied once or twice before.

Level Three
Level Three skiers are confident novices who are able to stop and make round snow plow turns on easy beginner trails.

Level Four
Level Four skiers are cautious intermediate skiers who can link turns but still moderate speed. Level Four skiers ski in a small wedge and their skis may even be parallel at the end of the turn on green or easy blue trails. Level Four is a transition level in which skiers will begin to ski more blue intermediate runs.

Level Five
Level Five skiers are intermediates who are confident on easy blue runs and ski mostly parallel but may at times use the wedge to begin a turn or to stop. Level Five skiers may be cautious on intermediate trails that are slightly steep or icy.

Level Six
Level Six skiers confidently make parallel turns on blue runs but do not ski many advanced trails. Level Six skiers use their poles to time turns. A Level Six skier is interested in learning to ski better on more challenging terrain.

Level Seven
Level Seven skiers ski controlled parallel turns and can ski very well on blue trails. Level Seven skiers can control their speed and rhythm on black diamond trails, but they are looking to ski on challenging trails with better style. Level Seven skiers can adjust the size and length of their turns and are learning to ski on a variety of different types of snow and terrain.

Level Eight
Level Eight skiers ski with good technique on all terrain and snow conditions. Level Eight skiers can ski moguls and are able to ski black diamond trails with confidence using carved turns.

Level Nine
Level Nine skiers enjoy the challenge of difficult ski trails and ski moguls, steeps, and other black diamond terrain.

Once you have chosen your level (mine is 6) it is then a case of choosing a ski with a capability that matches your ability.

Well there you go. I have no doubts that the last one is nothing to do with Pavels index. It's more like a Mike shot gun effort but with the barrel pointing at my head :twisted:

Hooked on Numbers

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:57:06 GMT

I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! The proof I just got up and before making my coffee, before brushing my teeth, I rushed down to the screen to see if Dean ( ie Ellistine) got my hints!

Regardless who wins you are all winners ( that is those that participant) since you use these numbers in a new way from now on.

You will understand the "secrets" of the skiing world and then smile remembering this quiz!

Thank Mike and Ellistine for your numbers!

Bob, where are your numbers ( new member) ?

Hooked on Numbers

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:41:06 GMT

pavelski wrote:I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! The proof I just got up and before making my coffee, before brushing my teeth, I rushed down to the screen to see if Dean ( ie Ellistine) got my hints!

Regardless who wins you are all winners ( that is those that participant) since you use these numbers in a new way from now on.

You will understand the "secrets" of the skiing world and then smile remembering this quiz!

Thank Mike and Ellistine for your numbers!

Bob, where are your numbers ( new member) ?

This time difference thing makes curiosity a problematic aspect to the quizz. I'm on the way to the coffee too Pavel but had to stop to see what Ellistine had offered. And you're an hour earlier than I am. The quizz will have to be re-named to the International Springtime Pavel Quizz. !

Ellistine !!! Don't take it so seriousily - Pavel said it was to be fun and to enjoy! The Pavel Quizz teaches us that to pull our hair out over the first quizz means we won't have as much to pull out when the next quizz surfaces. And I'm glad you learned about the shotgun technique. ... but please don't point the shot gun at your head. That will only make future quizzes more difficult - not to mention skiing!.

And again have you all noticed the viewing count! It's up to 1807, about 136 in the past 24 hours. I think that's remarkable for something that hs gone on for so long. You certainly have more than the 4 or 5 of us wondering what the answers will be Pavel.

And as life slowly returns to normal......

Mike

:D

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:02:49 GMT

Is the time displayed against each message local to the viewer or is it server time?

Pavels message that starts with 'I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! ' shows as being 07/06/2007 10:57:06 from where I am.

This message I posted at exactly 11.00am and the times showed up as 12:02. We either have just under an hour to go till the deadline or it's gone already!! (I suspect it's a daylight saving thing).

Admin, where's the server located?

Pavel wrote:I do not know what you do as far as occupation

On my business card it says 'Prepress/IT Development Manager'. What this really means is that I work for a printing company and play with computers and big digital presses.

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:26:54 GMT

ellistine wrote:Is the time displayed against each message local to the viewer or is it server time?

Pavels message that starts with 'I can not believe I got "hooked on these numbers"! ' shows as being 07/06/2007 10:57:06 from where I am.

This message I posted at exactly 11.00am and the times showed up as 12:02. We either have just under an hour to go till the deadline or it's gone already!! (I suspect it's a daylight saving thing).

Admin, where's the server located?

Pavel wrote:I do not know what you do as far as occupation

On my business card it says 'Prepress/IT Development Manager'. What this really means is that I work for a printing company and play with computers and big digital presses.

Hi there Ellistine;

When my computer shows the time as 8:12 am in Atlantic Daylight Saving Time the clock on the J2Ski page shows 13:15:11 . So either my time is off by a couple of minutes or their's is. Pavel's time is Eastern Daylight Saving Time , an hour earlier than mine. So under daylight saving time noon in the UK is 9 am in Nova Scotia and 8 am in Pavels kitchen. So the J2Ski clock must be an hour east of you. Where is that? Germany? My geography is as bad as my Gaussian Distribution knowledge...

Is your computerized press a Heidleberg? Have they gone that way too? My father bought a print shop in Haluifax years ago from an older gentleman who's father had inported one of the first Heidleberg presses to land in Halfax. All type was hand set on the "stone". All history now! My father was an accountant by training and always had a lot of interest in the printing business. He did his thesis on printing shop set up and efficient operation.

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:28:25 GMT

Wow Ellistine and Mike! My family owns a printing company here in PA! I was going to ask Ellistine what digital stuff he uses. I assume you are talking about wide format proofing? What all does your company do? Mike, if you are curious - we run almost exclusively Heidelberg equipment here. When we first bought our company they still had a letterpress and Linotype. And that was only 10 years ago! I actually have an old Heidelberg KSBA that I diecut with, it was made in 1964(or close) - WAY before I was born. Those Germans build some awesome equipment!

I am planning on skiing in New England this winter, we should plan a J2SKI meet!

Later guys! Have a good vacation, Pavel!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:59:28 GMT

Well as you are asking.....

We were founded over 140 years ago. We print mostly medical and academic journals.

Equipment wise all our Litho presses are Heidelberg. We currently have;
4x 2 colour 102 Speedmasters,
2x 4 colour 102 Speedmasters
2 colour 74 Speedmaster
5 colour 74 Speedmaster

As far as digital goes we have a couple of mono Kodak Digimasters, a Xerox iGen3 colour printer (megamoney!) and an Oce Variostream web fed digital press (800 A4 pages per minute!!!)

We also were the first in the UK to go 'computer to plate' back in 1995. That was my baby.

If you go to http://www.henryling.co.uk/ and then click 'about us' you'll see a much younger and thinner version of myself holding an award for best product printed using computer to plate. This class no longer exists as it's no longer a new technology.

Can't believe I'm taking about work on a Ski forum!!

The other good thing about Heidelberg is that one of their UK HQ's is in Tamworth which is where one our our 'real snow' indoor slopes is. In three weeks time I'm going up for an afternoon demo. The morning however, will be spent skiing!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:41:41 GMT

ellistine wrote:Well as you are asking.....

We were founded over 140 years ago. We print mostly medical and academic journals.

Equipment wise all our Litho presses are Heidelberg. We currently have;
4x 2 colour 102 Speedmasters,
2x 4 colour 102 Speedmasters
2 colour 74 Speedmaster
5 colour 74 Speedmaster

As far as digital goes we have a couple of mono Kodak Digimasters, a Xerox iGen3 colour printer (megamoney!) and an Oce Variostream web fed digital press (800 A4 pages per minute!!!)

We also were the first in the UK to go 'computer to plate' back in 1995. That was my baby.

If you go to http://www.henryling.co.uk/ and then click 'about us' you'll see a much younger and thinner version of myself holding an award for best product printed using computer to plate. This class no longer exists as it's no longer a new technology.

Can't believe I'm taking about work on a Ski forum!!

The other good thing about Heidelberg is that one of their UK HQ's is in Tamworth which is where one our our 'real snow' indoor slopes is. In three weeks time I'm going up for an afternoon demo. The morning however, will be spent skiing!

WOW !! Those numbers are really magical. What do you suppose the chances, or probablility of three people involved in Pavel's quizz with printing industry connections. Let's see the bell curve on that one !!!

And another thought,: Pavel has two good sources should he wish to publish his index in book form. Two sources that will take a solid interest in the project.

My connection with the printing industry ceased long ago. My father sold the shop to downtown renovation of the historic downtown concerns long ago and the equipment was given to his chief printer to continue on his own. The shop location is now a main entrance to what was developed (or restored). You can still see where the typsetting (hot lead) machine stood. I'll get a look at your site shortle Ellistine - thanks. For a look at Halifax try these web cams at www.halifaxwebcam.ca The are additional cameras on the Chebucto Net showing the harbour as well.

Wouldn't it be great if we could all get together some day for a skiing adventure. The magic of Pavel's numbers --- will not be forgotten. Where do you ski in New England Dean? Sunday River? Stowe? Attitash? (forgive my spelling). You are blessed with so many hills in that area.

Mike

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:34:45 GMT

My guess:
1- 1.69 meter: ski lenght. related to our height, style and ability level.
2- 18 meters: turning radius. sky style.
3- 118/85/109: ski dimensions. tells us about ski style, capacities in each terrain and how they float on powder.
4- edge bevel angle: related to ski agression and style.
5- my final last number guess is the following: probability of a ski being the best for me. i mean, if i'm planning to buy X ski, i should look it up in pavel's index (regarding my ski level too) and see what my chances are with that ski.

cya all. good luck in your answers, hope someone gets it.
great quiz pavel, very interesting!

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:35:10 GMT

Another set of numbers

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:04:22 GMT

Agusl,

Thanks for your choice of numbers.

Excellent choice! Hope you have a great "winter" down south!

Just had great idea! All my ski equipement is tucked away gathering dust! We should have away to "maximize" the use of our ski material by shipping you all stuff!

I know we should get together and by a Bombardier executive jet and use it to visit "local" ski areas. My son who works for Bombardier tells me that Tom Cruise's old jet is on the market for 1.8 million. When I win my 15 million I promise you all a trip to visit Agus and sho him how Rossignols Mutix fly down the hill.

In fact all of you will get a set of Mutix!!!!

Deadline is fast approaching. Anyone on the net can enter into this quiz so feel free to enter your 5 numbers and perhaps get a pair of Mutix!

Friday the answers will be posted!

Another set of numbers

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:28:21 GMT

pavelski wrote:Agusl,

Thanks for your choice of numbers.

Excellent choice! Hope you have a great "winter" down south!

Just had great idea! All my ski equipement is tucked away gathering dust! We should have away to "maximize" the use of our ski material by shipping you all stuff!

I know we should get together and by a Bombardier executive jet and use it to visit "local" ski areas. My son who works for Bombardier tells me that Tom Cruise's old jet is on the market for 1.8 million. When I win my 15 million I promise you all a trip to visit Agus and sho him how Rossignols Mutix fly down the hill.

In fact all of you will get a set of Mutix!!!!

Deadline is fast approaching. Anyone on the net can enter into this quiz so feel free to enter your 5 numbers and perhaps get a pair of Mutix!

Friday the answers will be posted!

Now I am thinking I have really banged my forehead too hard !!! My eyes must deceive me!

Am I reading correctly. You are going to swing past NS in your private jet and take us to meet Agus??? Ohh won't that be great guys !!! :lol:

And with a new pair of Mutix skiis too???? Wow ... you got to love the Pavel Quizz guys!!!

You see Santa come from Canada after all ... but I learned that after the first quizz. Atomic 9.20 stallions were the prize that time. Still a great ski!

Pavel, you're just too good :!: A great quizz, a ride in your executive jet and a pair of Mutix skis ... thanks so much!!!!

Mike

PS: Can't wait for the answers, Let me know when I should pack my bags !! :wink:

Re:Magic Numbers all skiers should know!

Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:52:29 GMT

As this extraordinary saga approaches its finality, I've been asked to clarify the place in space and time of the server... 8)

Although physically located somewhere in London the server is currently running in European time. This is due, of course, to it being an International Machine of Mystery - and not just because it's always been like that...

As the competition ends at midnight "J2SKI Time" (I did get that number right didn't I Pavel?), our visitors in England need to post their final answers by 11:00 p.m. UK time. Synchronize watches.

I strongly suspect the post mortem will run for almost as long again, once Pavel reveals all... off to think of my numbers now!