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HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:13:28 GMT

Now i have my own ski,s 170 atomic sx 9 ,i need a little information on setting up bindings i dont know which setting is best for my weight,and i dont know how to alter the bindings them selves,i dont expect a quick answer as i am sure there is a lot to it but a good website that some one knows would go a long way preferably a site with illustrations ,i tried to see if pavelski had some thing but alot of his tuition goes on behind the scenes in the form of homework ect,also how do you work out the lengh of pole that you need is it to the hight of your hip? cheers tom

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:51:17 GMT

Tomski,

Great choice of skis! You will really enjoy them.

I need to know what bindings you bought!

While you get me name and model, I will give you the Bindings 101 Course.

Three forces are needed to adjust on bindings.

1.Release ( or your parachute) This is the DIN level. They are the figures you see in front and rear units. This setting is based on your weight , ability level and boot size ( sole)! A standard chart has been used for all bindings all over the world!

2. Rear pressure setting

If you have Atomic NEOX units it is the lower screw at the rear unit! This tension is very important for correct vibration damping and release of units.

3. Front vertical pressure. That is how much pressure you have on plate under sole of ski boot.

If you have the NEOX units there is not setting since they adjust automatically!

I have to warn you, that you must set units correctly! Your legs depend on it!

Based on your syntax and lack of capitals, I suspect you are in the teens" No problem with that, just make sure your parents understand that this is a safety issue!

Give me your ability level, weight, and boot sole length and I will tell you what is the recommended setting for you!
Please check this setting at least once every month!

Hope this helps you!
Pavel

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:56:45 GMT

Tom,

Sorry to say it but if you try to adjust the bindings yourself and get it wrong it is your health you risk. Even if you get the correct DIN setting, all the other clearances need to be correct for the binding to release the way it is designed to and stop your leg or knee breaking.

Either the shop you bought them from should set them up with your boots, or take them to a ski shop the next time you go out to the slopes.

Pole length estimate is to turn a pole upside down, rest it on the floor vertically and grip under the basket. Your forearm should be horizontal if the pole is the correct size.

Enjoy the new skis,
Mark

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:00:12 GMT

I would go proffessional with the bindings one..

On the pole front it depends alot on what you prefer, or even what feels right, if you buy a pole too big, it can easily be cut down!

Ross

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:07:41 GMT

hi pavelski thankyou for the lesson,i do apologise for the poor grammar but i have been writting in that way since i left school 30 years ago ,however i can build a complete house on my own now from scratch ,so i will survive,yes and my bindings are atomic sx 310, my boots 34 cm ,or 13.5 inches, my weight is 115kg ,or 254 lbs but will be down to 210 lbs after i have been training, in reply to marks comments i do realise the importance of getting the correct settings on the bindings, however last season i ripped my achilles tendon and calf muscle in a fall which may have been caused by the wrong settings in the ski hire shop,i fell forward and the bindings just stayed on and my body kept going forward the ski dug in and everthing stretched untill bang ,off work for 5 weeks, so i really want to learn everthing i can in the correct way so i can prevent that from happening again, although i am a late starter to the ski world at 45 i have never loved any sport as much ,more mistakes mr pavelski oops ,

HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:21:42 GMT

sorry forgot to put my abiliy ,i have skied about 60 hrs and can parrellel ski confidently down blues and some reds,thanyou for your help

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:42:49 GMT

The meathod I use for binding relase setting is based on experience. You start off with low DIN settings and then adjust upwards when you get a prerelease. A prerelease is when a ski pops off in normal usage, (not a fall or twist etc) from hitting a rut or landing a jump.

I like this meathod because I don't ski in situations where a prerelease might be dangerous. It allows me to have settings which are below where the setting chart might put me, but at the same time meeting my needs and risk preference.

Many people feel that the risk of injury through losing a ski prematurely is too high with this meathod (and some that it is not manly to have low DIN settings).

It is possible to do a crude test by trying to twist your boot out of the binding in various ways, but also possible to injure yourself in the process.

If you do decide to set bindings up yourself, you should do a lot on research and understand the risk.

Trencher

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:35:17 GMT

Ive had a quick look about for you

http://coffee.sdsc.edu/rcw/din_setting/step1.htm

try that one-seems to be really good! under calculated for me a bit but can't be as bad as an overcalculation right?

Ross

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:08:23 GMT

Tomski,
Please forgive my comments about your messages and manner in which they are transmitted! It was a "poor" first impression!

All the previous comments are on target in the sense that most skiers should go to ski shop! However I have seen more than enough errors made on binding placement and wrong DIN settings to "trust" shops blindly!

My attitude is if you are an adult and know the risks you are taking and still wanted to verify or do work yourself , you should be allowed to do so!

It is not complicated!

I still did not get the type of binding you have! I need company name and model number!

I will send via PM your DIN settings which you should memorize for the rest of youe skiing life.

Again please forgive my comments about communication style! It was not intended to be a reflection on your competencies as person or house builder!
Respectfully,
Pavel

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:46:12 GMT

Pavel perhaps he shouldn't remember them for the rest of his life as no doubt he will improve!! I am not doubting your intergrity it is just an "aside" if you will.

Ross

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:30:53 GMT

Tomski
Binding Setting is more than numbers. Take toe wing height for example, is it automatic, or do you have to set it? Just how tight does the boot need to be in the binding for it to be correct?
My suggestion, is to set them up yourself, (and this assumes they are already mounted on the ski), and have them checked by a good ski shop once you arrive in resort.
Ski shop staff mounting bindings use custom made jigs, and they still mess up!!
I'm just back from Zermatt and the Swiss Ski Test. I took a piece of paper with my DIN, weight, age, weeks skied etc, and handed it over each time I took out a new ski. Each time the DIN setting was queried as being too low. I use 5.5, routinely they would have set 6.5-7.
I got my way, and there were no pre-releases

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:58:25 GMT

hi ross thank you for that site it is really easy to work out the din number ,and if it is slightly lower than it should be that will fit in to what trencher was saying and will be fine for me as i ski quite relaxed no jumping ect cheers tom

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:52:00 GMT

We could re-title this thread I'll SPAM my software

It's not necessary to download any software to look at DIN Charts. Most of the Binding Manufacturers have them online, and unless you have been trained to set bindings it's probably not a good idea to try to adjust them yourself.

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:00:33 GMT

tomski wrote:my weight is 115kg ,or 254 lbs but will be down to 210 lbs after i have been training,

Off thread a bit, but surely the binding settings not the important parts of this thread.

Surely the stand out thing here is, what training plan are you going to use to lose 44lbs before the ski season??

Publish that, and you'll never have to build a house again!!

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:03:16 GMT

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:20:25 GMT

ok cat among pigeons time

if you are setting a salomon binding you need to use the salomon chart if you are setting a marker binding then use the marker chart etc etc

DIN should be DIN should be DIN but it is not, there are subtle differences between what the settings come out at on the different charts and these subtle differences can be the difference between a binding releasing and major knee surgery

in most case the charts are the same from skier to skier but there are a few anomolies and if a shop set the binding using the wrong chart then an accident occurs who is to blame??????? even if the setting is correct on the shops chart if that chart is not for the make of binding being adjusted how do you know!

there is of course all the other implications such as forward pressure, toe wings etc etc

in essence the only way to know that they really are set properly is to have them run through an electronic binding tester machine [i think there is only 4 or 5 in the UK in the next few years every rental operation in europe will HAVE to have one

HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:24:20 GMT

also a small note on that electronic calculator ...it is out of date, where is the -1 and +3 type skiers that appear on some new charts [depending on brand]

it also should include the tibial crest measurements and torque releases

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:22:08 GMT

I trust my own abilities with a screwdriver over most of the kids working in ski shops/rental shops. It's kind of like setting oven temperature. "Turn the dial to 325 degrees. . . " There is no computation. No rocket science.

Oh, and I think most bindings will have trouble releasing on a directly forward fall.

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:30:01 GMT

Dshenberger, what about forward pressure?

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:44:10 GMT

Dshenberger, it may be that in your experience ski bindings do not release in direct forward falls. Perhaps you need to be trained to set ski bindings, as mine have always released in that situation (well in the last 16 winters anyway).

Are you speaking directly from experience using equipment that you have set, or set for others?

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:59:54 GMT

cem wrote:in essence the only way to know that they really are set properly is to have them run through an electronic binding tester machine [i think there is only 4 or 5 in the UK in the next few years every rental operation in europe will HAVE to have one

If I remember rightly isn't there a way to test while you're standing in them? I seem to recall seeing how to do this but wasn't majorly interested at the time. more fool me!

bandit wrote:Dshenberger, it may be that in your experience ski bindings do not release in direct forward falls. Perhaps you need to be trained to set ski bindings, as mine have always released in that situation (well in the last 16 winters anyway).

you're ruining the image, bandit. you don't fall over (unless someone rams into you of course)

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:10:04 GMT

Bandit,

The one occasion where I had that problem was shortly after I got a new pair of skis. They were completely set up by the ski shop (the tech is experienced, and I trust him). Skis are Volkl S4, and the bindings are Marker LT 11. I don't remember exactly what happened, but for some reason I ended up with a lot of pressure straight forward, and severely bruised my shin bone. First of all I though I had broken it.

I am not disputing what you are saying - you, obviously, have a lot more experience than I. But, theoretically, should they release on forward pressure alone? I would think the DIN would have to be set really high to prevent accidental release under high pressure turns?? I have never had a problem releasing under other circumstances. Maybe a walk out every now and then.

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:41:33 GMT

Hey Bandit,

Off topic here, but I just took a look at your blog, and saw you picked up some Scott Punishers! I just got a pair this fall! Can't wait til we get some snow to try them out. Went with the Salomon z12 Ti bindings. Coincidentally, I had them mounted at the shop. I am not thrilled with the responsibility of drilling holes in my skis.

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:34:11 GMT

I had a similar sort of injury some years ago and the cause was a forward fall and the bindings opened late basically because there was nothing under ...tip in a bank and heel on the trail and air in the middle... and the skis bent too

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:49:46 GMT

Dshenberger, ski bindings like the LT11 are on a rail AFAIR, and set up should be straightforward. In the case of a build up of pressure a binding is designed to release when it happens suddenly, to protect the user. That is, for your situation, a sudden increase at the toe together with a sudden decrease at the heel. In the case of a high pressure carved turn, the pressure build up would be gradual, so it would not trigger the release. AFAIK the LT11 is designed to release at the toe and the heel together in the event of a toepiece "event". No way, should you be able to occasionally "walk out" of your bindings, this could also put you at risk of injury.
As you now have new skis and bindings, perhaps it's a good opportunity to undertake a little online digging and see if you can find a Salomon binding manual for your new Z12Ti's and double check your fitter's work. Just for peace of mind of course

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:04:08 GMT

Yep, the rail set-up is super easy. One pin, and you can change the length. Forward pressure is really straightforward. I have had a couple of walkout issues at low speed if I get into sticky stuff. I'll have to put my Volkls in the vice, and see if I can get the boot to dislodge with a solid whack in the back.

HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:15:15 GMT

hey, I'll get my coat, seems kind of pointless offering advice when people just ignor it

see ya

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:35:48 GMT

A cautionary tale re. bindings.

On my second ski trip, a number of years ago, I signed up for ski school as usual. Initially, the instructor seemed nice and appeared to be pretty good (it was in Italy and he was a bit older - not some young hotshot). However, as the week went on, his whole approach had a single focus - faster, faster, faster . After about 3 days, my poor technique, which he had given very little specific direction on, was no longer good enough to cope with the speed he was pushing the class to and he dropped me to a lower class (where the pace was more moderate and the instruction much better.)

However, for those who survived the pressure for more speed continued until the last day - race day. It turned out that all the classes at each level completed a timed race course and it emerged that the instructor had a bet on with the other instructors over whose pupils would win the race. His sole ambition for the week was to win the bet .

As part of his "preparations" for the race, he "happened" to mention to the class that their bindings might be set too low for the race and a number of them went back to the hire shop and had the settings set higher.

On race day, one of the guys completed the race course but went into a load of soft snow at the end of the course at high speed - his skis stopped but he didn't and the bindings did not give - result: very serious compound fracture of his leg .

The instructor should probably have been "struck off" if such a facility exists but I am not sure that his behaviour was even reported and he could still be at the same crap today for all I know .

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:37:09 GMT

hey someones throwing their dummy out the pram!!!!!!

HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:37:28 GMT

tomski, it's the internet, believe what you want

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:37:40 GMT

just jesting cem ,building site banter, cant help myself some times ,any way can some one tell me if there is a advantage to using carbon poles to aluminium ones it cant be just the weight, i have tried both and prefere ali to carbon ,and its cheaper ,

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:28:43 GMT

For those of you Salomon users out there, found the link to download their shop manual, which has the DIN settings chart in it:
http://www.salomoncertification.com/download.jsp

I wanted to get some advice from the more experienced skiers here. I've just bought some new skis (Salomon Aeromax TI + 711 bindings) and had them set them up for me in the shop. The guy did it fairly quickly though and the setting differs slightly (it's a bit higher) from the one I got from the Salomon chart and from various online tools.

I am only concerned because, whilst being fairly young and fit, I don't have the strongest knees. Do any of you set your bindings to different values for front and back? I am thinking that, to prevent knee injuries from twisting, it could be a good idea to lower the front release slightly? By, say, 1/2 point to start with.

Obviously, I am fully aware of the dangers of adjusting my own bindings but would be interested to hear opinions.

Re:HOW TO SET BINDINGS

Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:17:28 GMT

Campbell,

You are correct in verifying your DIN settings.
If in doubt have them checked at ski resort during a quiet time!( but first look for tech certificate on wall)

Now if you are really concerned, many ski shops have "calibration" devices that check binding elease levels and print out values!
If in doubt always lower the DIN by 1/2!