Differences between parallel and carve turns?

ski53 wrote:

Another thing to note is that a Pure carved turn can not be any shorter than the turn radius designed into the ski.is. 

I would put it this way. The radius of a carved turn is the product of the skis sidecut radius and the degree to which the ski is inclinated. The turn shape may also be altered by pressure applied to the ski.

Welcome to the forum ski53.


Trencher

This vid shows an example of an older style of skiing ie not carving.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4WJS9v8Amb4

82ross wrote:

This vid shows an example of an older style of skiing ie not carving.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4WJS9v8Amb4 

I'd like to point out that there is a fair bit wrong with the technique demonstrated in this clip so should not be used as a 'how to ski parralel' demo.

Main problem is that this guy is using his upper body to chuck himself from side to side, and his legs are not pivotting separately from his hips. I'd suggest that the reason he's having to do this is because he's remaining on his edges for too long when he needs to be flattening them out at end of each turn. This is fairly clearly demonstrated when you can see his uphill (or inside) ski being independently picked up to initiate the subsequent turn, the first turn he makes after passing the camera gives the most obvious demo of this fault.

Whilst carving is a new(ish)style of skiing facilitated by shaped skis, parrallel skiing is certainly not an outdated style (although this business of skiing with narrow stance is and looks very mincey).

Excellent observations and comments!

Notice also how he "opens up" near end of turn! That is one of my many faults while I ski! I have to think to hold that edge to the very end of turn!

Just a comment about having fun while skiing!

Some skiers are so concerned about technique that they never enjoy just skiing! Have fun!

I always take one hour per day to focus on one aspect of my "weak points"! The rest of time,,,I just have fun!

Yes it is great to have effective technique, but you ski to have fun! Let yourselves go!

It reminds me about listening to some biometric physiologist who were watching people walk! No one walked "correctly" according to them!

ben76 wrote:

82ross wrote:

This vid shows an example of an older style of skiing ie not carving.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4WJS9v8Amb4 

I'd like to point out that there is a fair bit wrong with the technique demonstrated in this clip so should not be used as a 'how to ski parralel' demo.

Main problem is that this guy is using his upper body to chuck himself from side to side, and his legs are not pivotting separately from his hips. I'd suggest that the reason he's having to do this is because he's remaining on his edges for too long when he needs to be flattening them out at end of each turn. This is fairly clearly demonstrated when you can see his uphill (or inside) ski being independently picked up to initiate the subsequent turn, the first turn he makes after passing the camera gives the most obvious demo of this fault.

Whilst carving is a new(ish)style of skiing facilitated by shaped skis, parrallel skiing is certainly not an outdated style (although this business of skiing with narrow stance is and looks very mincey).
 

Thanks for pointing out the faults in that video, more information for me to learn from.

Anyone have any more videos with better examples of parallel skiing?

pavelski wrote:

I always take one hour per day to focus on one aspect of my "weak points"! The  

1 hour seems too much to me! Pavel, that is commitment, an hour is a large chunnk of a skiing day not to be wasted;D

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2T22D-SmD7Q

Is the beginning of this video a fair example of parallel turning?

82ross wrote:

Is the beginning of this video a fair example of parallel turning? 

They're bound to be good - they've got matching jackets!

Seriously, from the little I know it looks very good. I hate it when people make it look so easy!

82ross wrote:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2T22D-SmD7Q

Is the beginning of this video a fair example of parallel turning? 

What they're doing at the very beginning of that vid are what are know as 'braquage' turns. This is an exercise where you turn but never really engage the edges at the end of the turn. This is a good exercise to get the idea of pivotting/turning your skis when they are flat on the snow.

The basic parrallel starts about 1min 15s into the clip, and is a good example. Notice how they gradually flex downwards at the end of the turn to increase angulation (hip and knee) and engage the edges before smoothly coming off the edges at the start of the next turn.

Thanks. Been looking at loads of (online) videos an most of them end up with poor comments about old or just plain poor demonstrations. Are the warren smith dvds agreed to be a really good source of uptodate instructional material? Are there any others I should know about?

I can get myself down the blacks but with all the grace of a brussel sprout and using 10 times more energy than I should. Good videos can point out some of the things i was never taught or have never heard about before. What else am I gonna do before i get my skis back on after xmas eh!

Great read by Pavelski again!

+5

the diffirence is that the parralel skier is more agressive and trying to ski a very short radius, the carving skier is just trying to go fast and horizontal as he can, trying to hit the piste with his ass if you know what i mean
i like the agressive style, mogul skiing
check this
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw1xEOWbFIY
and this
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=K_A2Ce1VDMY&feature=related
and this
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=gPfAlSj_rDY
and this

and this but then whit the old skis
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=MApwEehMKP4

ow and here is a site with some videos, i think its really helpful for the advanced skier
http://www.skinastc.com/m4_s1.html