The 10 Essential Things you must do this summer!!!!!

Mike from NS wrote:

The Marker Bindings and Product Guide FAQ's ( http://www.marker.de/en/product-guide/F.A.Q.) recommend dropping the DIN for summer storage to relieve the tension: " You should turn down the Z-number (DIN/ISO) of your binding to the minimum setting to relieve the spring...." they say and also caution in proper resetting before ski time returns.


 

Thanks for that info Mike. As I have Marker bindings, I will be doing the same.

Also, if Pav says its good for him, then its good for me

Tony_H wrote:

ise wrote:

Mike from NS wrote:

There are as many opinions as there are people willing to voice them.

Mike
 

this is engineering so we can stick to facts. There's no need to do this, you will not increase the life of your bindings by releasing the DIN. 

In other words, you believe YOU are the voice of authority on this subject.

Why then do Marker state otherwise? I have Marker M900 bindings on my skis, and if they say thats what you should do, thats what I will do. Yet you tell me this is engineering, lets stick to facts, and winding down din settings will not have any effect.

So tell us ISE, why do Marker say you should wind down your settings over the summer, and other companies dont. Are they made differently? Do they care more about preserving the lift whereas the others are more interested in your wearing them out and replacing them with new ones to keep their income streams higher? Or do you just think you are right and everyone else is wrong? 

rude and belligerent as usual, put a sock in it.

My post was asking a couple of questions, and pointing out that you seem to have your own forthright opinion, and little else seems to matter to you. Thats an observation, nothing rude about it.

Tony_H wrote:

My post was asking a couple of questions, and pointing out that you seem to have your own forthright opinion, and little else seems to matter to you. Thats an observation, nothing rude about it.



 

give it a rest.

Tony_H wrote:

So tell us ISE, why do Marker say you should wind down your settings over the summer, and other companies dont. Are they made differently? Do they care more about preserving the lift whereas the others are more interested in your wearing them out and replacing them with new ones to keep their income streams higher? Or do you just think you are right and everyone else is wrong?
 

Perhaps the springs on Markers are not made from the same grade metal as other binding springs on sale at the moment?

Tony_H wrote:

Mike from NS wrote:

Thanks for that info Mike. As I have Marker bindings, I will be doing the same.

Also, if Pav says its good for him, then its good for me  

Tony,

I was about to reply to bandit with what you just said. That being Marker cares ....

I haven't looked for what the other binding manufacturers suggest but I take what Marker says as a form of "customer service"

I also take it to say "We know our bindings are good and with due care they will serve you well ... to take care of them - reduce the DIN..."

And it was seeming to me that ise must be in the spring replacement business. It takes no effort to wind back the tension, yet he really seems to be against it

Sure it is engineering and the best engineering is done with an open mind. It terms of load an application maybe there is little effect from dropping the DIN ( I haven't run the calculationsbut I like to err on the side of caution - keeping an open mind.

If the engineers running the Phoenix Mars mission kept
a closed mind to the suggestion of capturing the Phoenix in the decent stage with the HiRise craft we would not have that neat photo of the Phoenix with parachute attached as it fell to the Mars surface. The first ever photo from one spacecraft taken by another while at Mars. Oh yes this has no bearing on simple spring tension release, but it is a prime example of engineering with an open mind.

Glad the FAQ's page was of use to you Tony. It looks like ise is a tad tired of this discussion.

Mike

Errrrr, you guys are trying to 2nd guess the business motives of a multinational company.
This will allow you to make any speculation you want to make fit the facts, so it must be true.

bandit wrote:

Errrrr, you guys are trying to 2nd guess the business motives of a multinational company.
This will allow you to make any speculation you want to make fit the facts, so it must be true.

 

However ..... maybe Marker realizes that some skiers want input or direction from the manufacturers as this will make for happy customers and returning customers. They go with the fable - "you get more with a smile than a frown..." The other guys can't care as much....I'll look into it.

I must agree with Tony ... he wasn't being rude at all.

Too bad the oil companies wouldn't have some sort of concern for their customers.

Mike

ise wrote:

Tony_H wrote:

My post was asking a couple of questions, and pointing out that you seem to have your own forthright opinion, and little else seems to matter to you. Thats an observation, nothing rude about it.



 

give it a rest. 

I dont get you at all. There is no need to be so dismissive of others, as you have often been on other threads as well.
Is there some kind of problem with being asked a question? Its not a problem if you dont have an answer, but you dont need to get all abrasive about it. Take a pill and calm down.

Mike from NS wrote:

bandit wrote:

Errrrr, you guys are trying to 2nd guess the business motives of a multinational company.
This will allow you to make any speculation you want to make fit the facts, so it must be true.

 

However ..... maybe Marker realizes that some skiers want input or direction from the manufacturers as this will make for happy customers and returning customers. They go with the fable - "you get more with a smile than a frown..." The other guys can't care as much....I'll look into it.

I must agree with Tony ... he wasn't being rude at all.

Too bad the oil companies wouldn't have some sort of concern for their customers.

Mike  

Maybe.....Marker are engaging in a little psychology. You know, make their product appeal more to guys who like to twiddle with their gear

Oooh, it's that maybe word again

Good reply Bandit

Thanks for the laugh

Mike

Re-addressing the engineering issues. Hopefully I have presented the logic that cyclical fatigue is not an issue when the bindings are not in use.

Hence we are discussing the issue of metal creep. I previously indicated that at low stress levels, creep is not an issue.

I do not accept that Marker either choose inferior materials, (if his were the case there would be high number spring failures), and nor would they issue a maintenance instruction just for marketing reasons.

The most likely explanation might be that Marker binding design might be such that when the binding is not in use, there is a higher residual spring force - higher than other makes of bindings.

I re-iterate that I am not an expert on bindings, I am happy to help clarify the spring engineering aspects.

Incidentally, I still am of the opinion that the old Marker latch-up heel binding was terrific, it was so simple in construction. In disclosing this, I am, of course admitting to pre-dating step-in bindings.

That's a fairly modest step, I could admit to so much more.....