The 10 Essential Things you must do this summer!!!!!

caron-a wrote:

ise wrote:

ah, a direct hit on one of my many pet peeves I'm seriously wound up by the people who have their bindings set too low, after twice narrowly missing being hit in the head by loose skis and having one of the owners explain to me how is was "safer" to have the bindings low
 

what about people that have their bindings set too high by the lovely chappy in the hire shop telling you "no you didn't put weight on over christmas" and then the skis didn't come off causing you ligament damage on both knees?

I curse the day I laughed at his "compliment".
 

That's obviously unfortunate and you're the victim of someone else's stupidity in that. There's a problem in a lot of ski shops and hire shops that the staff really don't have any special knowledge at all, it's a skiing oddity, we know the lad in Dixons or PC World isn't likely to be offering good advice necessarily but then we go next door to the local ski store and behave as though something's altered. That's not to say there's not a lot of fantastic specialist stores run by real enthusiasts who have a lot of knowledge of course, it's just in the end in many cases, you've got a guy who works in a shop.

It's not just that I've had a near miss with loose skis nearly hitting me that winds me up, it's the mentality of the people that do it that really makes me mad. Because it has no apparent downside for them then there's not a split second of thought about if it might be a problem for anyone else.

Dave Mac wrote:

When Pavel mentioned off-season spring relaxation, I thought it was a reasonable idea. I don't think that it does any harm.  

Providing you reset them then I can't see any harm at all, it's just I see no beneficial effect so it's as much of a ritual as anything, you might as well as smear the bindings with garlic

(it's going to turn out that garlic has some benefit I'm unaware of of course now)

caron-a wrote:

ise wrote:

ah, a direct hit on one of my many pet peeves I'm seriously wound up by the people who have their bindings set too low, after twice narrowly missing being hit in the head by loose skis and having one of the owners explain to me how is was "safer" to have the bindings low
 

what about people that have their bindings set too high by the lovely chappy in the hire shop telling you "no you didn't put weight on over christmas" and then the skis didn't come off causing you ligament damage on both knees?

I curse the day I laughed at his "compliment".
 

Many years ago, I was also the victim of lousy binding setting by a ski shop. I subsequently had surgery and have now just been diagnosed with Osteoarthritis as a result of the original injury.
The ski shop (a UK one) was abusive when the issue was raised with them, and I was simply not rich enough to sue their ass.
I learned that it's not just the numbers that are important. The space that your boot occupies between the toe and heel pieces is crucial to your binding setup. If it's been set too close together, then the binding will likely shut, but only open with a huge amount of force, which bears no relation to the numbers on the dial.

I learned (a little late I know) to watch the hire shop's do the setup like a hawk, and not to be afraid to tell them to lower the numbers, or do it myself.

Last month, I questioned my local ski shop when setting my new bindings to 7 ! It's your weight they said Set it to 5.5 I says They tut, but I have had no pre-releases at all.

bandit wrote:

Many years ago, I was also the victim of lousy binding setting by a ski shop. I subsequently had surgery and have now just been diagnosed with Osteoarthritis as a result of the original injury.  

That's not good. I hope you're not in too much pain.

bandit wrote:

I learned (a little late I know) to watch the hire shop's do the setup like a hawk, and not to be afraid to tell them to lower the numbers, or do it myself.

Last month, I questioned my local ski shop when setting my new bindings to 7 ! It's your weight they said Set it to 5.5 I says They tut, but I have had no pre-releases at all. 

Forgive me for being totally ignorant in these matters - is there any way of telling the person how you want the bindings set, ie: figuring out which number you need in advance?

caron-a wrote:

Forgive me for being totally ignorant in these matters - is there any way of telling the person how you want the bindings set, ie: figuring out which number you need in advance?  

http://www.dinsetting.com/dinchart.htm might help, it lays it out fairly reasonably.

caron-a wrote:

bandit wrote:

Many years ago, I was also the victim of lousy binding setting by a ski shop. I subsequently had surgery and have now just been diagnosed with Osteoarthritis as a result of the original injury.  

That's not good. I hope you're not in too much pain.
 

Thanks for your thoughts, it's not acute, just fat, wobbly and annoying

Can someone dumb this conversation down for me gimme the cliff notes

Must say I did loosen my bindings and got off any extra buggers on them

IceGhost wrote:

Can someone dumb this conversation down for me gimme the cliff notes

Must say I did loosen my bindings and got off any extra buggers on them 

The executive summary ....

There's no reason to loosen your bindings, if you do it won't do any harm as long as you remember to tighten them up to the same setting.

IceGhost wrote:

Can someone dumb this conversation down for me gimme the cliff notes 

Ice Ghost;
On page 4 Bandit questioned dropping the DIN setting for the ski storage time and said ..."The latest tech manual I have is the 05/06 US Tyrolia, and I can't see this anywhere amongst the 80 odd pages"

Ise suggests it is a waste of time and only done as a ritual ... if I read his comments correctly. DaveMac suggests that the spring under load may show signs of creep which may change the characteristics of the spring - however slightly.

As part of wise maintenance and to promote longer binding (spring)life, Pavel suggests to drop the DIN. This too is why I am on side with dropping the spring setting. A spring under no load will last longer than one under load. However small the difference.... and I want my bindings to out live me ! No harm will come from dropping the setting; and I'm sure that more good will be the end result. If you take care of your gear, your gear will take care of you

The Marker Bindings and Product Guide FAQ's ( http://www.marker.de/en/product-guide/F.A.Q.) recommend dropping the DIN for summer storage to relieve the tension: " You should turn down the Z-number (DIN/ISO) of your binding to the minimum setting to relieve the spring...." they say and also caution in proper resetting before ski time returns.

In short you need to adopt what works for you.
There are as many opinions as there are people willing to voice them.

Mike

Mike from NS wrote:

There are as many opinions as there are people willing to voice them.

Mike
 

this is engineering so we can stick to facts. There's no need to do this, you will not increase the life of your bindings by releasing the DIN.

The Marker Bindings and Product Guide FAQ's ( http://www.marker.de/en/product-guide/F.A.Q.) recommend dropping the DIN for summer storage to relieve the tension: " You should turn down the Z-number (DIN/ISO) of your binding to the minimum setting to relieve the spring...." they say and also caution in proper resetting before ski time returns.
 

This tells me that Marker are suggesting that users wind down the spring.
I see nothing about, Salomon, Tyrolia, Vist, Fritschi, Naxo, Dynafit.........et al, doing the same. To me, this says, that Marker bindings need to be treated differently.

ise wrote:

Mike from NS wrote:

There are as many opinions as there are people willing to voice them.

Mike
 

this is engineering so we can stick to facts. There's no need to do this, you will not increase the life of your bindings by releasing the DIN. 

In other words, you believe YOU are the voice of authority on this subject.

Why then do Marker state otherwise? I have Marker M900 bindings on my skis, and if they say thats what you should do, thats what I will do. Yet you tell me this is engineering, lets stick to facts, and winding down din settings will not have any effect.

So tell us ISE, why do Marker say you should wind down your settings over the summer, and other companies dont. Are they made differently? Do they care more about preserving the lift whereas the others are more interested in your wearing them out and replacing them with new ones to keep their income streams higher? Or do you just think you are right and everyone else is wrong?