Skidding the end of my turns

Does anyone know a good exercise to stop me skidding out of the last part of my turn? I've been told (by people who follow me) that I push out a spray of snow on the exit of each turn and my legs are always tired at the end of the day.

I try to lean back at the end of the turn but that doesn't feel right.

Tx for any advice

Hire some old style skis dude! Then you'll spray snow all the way round... but, seriously, it sounds to me like you lack pressure on the outside. Don't lean back - try and push down into the snow, with the ball of your foot, as you leave the turn?

HTH, Tone

Hello,
Despite the fact that i don't have you seen skiing, and only based upon your description, i have following advise.
It is realy a matter of pressure on the sidecut of a ski. Normally at the end of your turn you could reduce the combined force of forward pressure and lateral kneeforce directed to the top of the mountainside. Not only the forces on your knees must be correct but also the position of your hips and thighs. Try to maintain them as still as possible. Do not sweep your hips thru the turn. A major frequent fault is also rotating the shoulders towards top mountainside. Via your back degree any rotation of shoulders or even at level of hips will be translated in a force modification at your knees. Any changing factor will be transmitted via your knees and boots onto the ski's.
So, i'll hope this will get you closer to non-slipping turns.

Read from snowplow to,,,,,string

Ski instructor is correct in all his solutions, however you will not benefit from advice since there is too much to remember.
Take lessons!
Stay on easy run and try to make "perfect" turn with not sliding!
How?
Slow down
Three stages in ski turns; EDGE PRESSURE STEER.
No amount of talking will help here. See above instructor on slope.
Learn what above mean not just in head but how to apply!

Your problem is very common. You have tried the traditional approach and have been given a lot of tips but nothing worked. Try alternative approach. It is based on a "carving turn on the inside ski". This contradicts a fundamental principle of long standing in the skiing world, that of applying pressure to the outside ski. However it does work and has been tried out by skiers of differing standards, all of whom made exceptionally fast progress with some of them ?leaping? up to an advanced level in next to no time. Visit http://www.mamyrin.com

This topic came back to the top and as it is something that has intrested me since befor I started skiing (I'm really a snowboarder). I wanted to put up my observations for comment. In fact, and I really don't mean to sound conceited, I started skiing because I couldn't believe it was as hard to carve on skis as so many people made it look.

I bought a short pair of skis (130 but adult) with about a 12 m radius and set off to the top of a green run. I made sure I could hockey stop both sides and set off down the rest of the run. By the time I got to the bottom, I was making cross over medium railroad track turns with no skids. It took me the rest of the season to figure out cross under/through turns.

Now snowboarders learn to turn with a skidded turn at first but anyone who boards a lot ends up carving thier turns. So what was different about skiing. It seems to me that people who learned to ski on the old straight(ish) skis made a huge change of direction (pivot) while the ski was flat during the transition. Snowboarders have always had sidecuts and even beginners skidded turns had a more consistant change of direction.

So my observation was that many skiers have a tendency to flatten thier skis too early and even try to change direction during transition; a hang up from straight ski days (I understand that this maybe ok for racers having to make a gate, but not for free carving) . Skiers who start out on shaped skis may not have that problem.

The other difficulty I see for experienced skiers learning to carve is that the only model they see and I see being taught is the cross under (retraction) turn. Snowboarders usually start to carve with a cross over turn. I think it is much easier to understand and get the feel of edge pressure and up/down weighting with cross over turns. This better feel makes it easier to learn to hold some weighting movement in reserve to finish the turn w/o skidding. The cross over unweighting for the transition is easier as well.

Hope that makes sense

Trencher

Comments to what Pavelski said:
"Stay on easy run and try to make "perfect" turn with not sliding! How?" => Correct
"Slow down" => Correct
"Three stages in ski turns; EDGE PRESSURE STEER" => Correct but he does not say how to edge at slow speed? See the answer below
"No amount of talking will help here" => Talking helps - only children learn intuitively, most adults need to understand.
"See above instructor on slope" => you have probably done this many times before
"Learn what above mean not just in head but how to apply!" => True but you still need to have the WHAT_TO_DO in your head before applying. See www.mamyrin.net