Knee surgeon had an interesting comment last week. He was recommending a back to ski clinic and how they taught a very "safe style" of skiing.
Perhaps Warren can share with all.
Certainly since my injury I now cringe as people come to stop leaning into slope. Downhill ski unweighted and leaning back slightly.
Apart from speed, common sense etc what positions should we be avoiding. 999/1000 no injury but risk is there. Afraid am a very analytical skier and I was obviously in wrong position. Unlucky certainly feel it :-). Reality is I was coming to planned stop and greater awareness would have saved me 2 ops and 6 weeks skiing missed.
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Hear, Hear :thumbup:
I have Tinnitus so in effect I have to rely on 4 senses, unfortunately it not easy especially when daft boarders are tailgating you , which has happened to me on a number of occasions.
The one rule I consider to be most important for safety is for following skiers ect to pass without putting themselves & others at risk, this will not happen in my lifetime, it seems to get worse every year :evil:
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Started by Ranchero_1979 in Ski Chatter 09-Jul-2012 - 12 Replies
Ranchero_1979 posted Jul-2012
Edited 1 time. Last update at 09-Jul-2012
Pavelski
reply to 'Safe Skiing' posted Jul-2012
Ranchero,
One of the leaders in studying ACl injuries is Carl Ettlinger. Some of you older skiers will recognize this name from many ski articles on bindings back in the 1970's and 1980's. He also is one of the founders of the new binding marketed as a "safe knee oriented binding"
He is President of the Vermont Ski Safety Research and actually does all his work in a renovated barn. He has teamed up with Dr. Robert Johnson and often does presentations in world conferences on ski safety.
Here is a few tips from their site: http://www.vermontskisafety.com/kneefriendly.php
You all will be interested in their analysis on the causes of ACL tears in skiing. Speed is not the major factor for ACL ruptures. The famous leaning back while falling ( often slowly) is the main cause. They have many videos with analysis which all skiers should view.
In North America, Carl Ettlinger is the ski binding guru who designed most of the technical clinics for reps and shop technicians.
As far as "safe skiing" style or technique.....all starts with the head.
Skiers should not wait till after ACL operations to learn safe skiing.
Safe style for me is;
1. learn effective ski technique
2. learn to read problem situations before they happen
3. learn to avoid others
4. learn to "listen " to your body
5. learn to enjoy skiing, thus be relaxed.
It can be done.
One of the leaders in studying ACl injuries is Carl Ettlinger. Some of you older skiers will recognize this name from many ski articles on bindings back in the 1970's and 1980's. He also is one of the founders of the new binding marketed as a "safe knee oriented binding"
He is President of the Vermont Ski Safety Research and actually does all his work in a renovated barn. He has teamed up with Dr. Robert Johnson and often does presentations in world conferences on ski safety.
Here is a few tips from their site: http://www.vermontskisafety.com/kneefriendly.php
You all will be interested in their analysis on the causes of ACL tears in skiing. Speed is not the major factor for ACL ruptures. The famous leaning back while falling ( often slowly) is the main cause. They have many videos with analysis which all skiers should view.
In North America, Carl Ettlinger is the ski binding guru who designed most of the technical clinics for reps and shop technicians.
As far as "safe skiing" style or technique.....all starts with the head.
Skiers should not wait till after ACL operations to learn safe skiing.
Safe style for me is;
1. learn effective ski technique
2. learn to read problem situations before they happen
3. learn to avoid others
4. learn to "listen " to your body
5. learn to enjoy skiing, thus be relaxed.
It can be done.
Dave Mac
reply to 'Safe Skiing' posted Jul-2012
Pavel, I would have written the same:
Safe style for me is;
1. learn effective ski technique
2. learn to read problem situations before they happen
3. learn to avoid others
4. learn to "listen " to your body
5. learn to enjoy skiing, thus be relaxed.
and added
6. Read the snow conditions, ice and heavy spring snow are an opportunity for injuries.
7. Don't be afraid to come off the hill in adverse weather, if you are in a white-out it can be dangerous.
8. Understand your bindings. Check them. Keep them serviced and in good condition.
9. Never induce others to ski beyond their capability.
Safe style for me is;
1. learn effective ski technique
2. learn to read problem situations before they happen
3. learn to avoid others
4. learn to "listen " to your body
5. learn to enjoy skiing, thus be relaxed.
and added
6. Read the snow conditions, ice and heavy spring snow are an opportunity for injuries.
7. Don't be afraid to come off the hill in adverse weather, if you are in a white-out it can be dangerous.
8. Understand your bindings. Check them. Keep them serviced and in good condition.
9. Never induce others to ski beyond their capability.
Pavelski
reply to 'Safe Skiing' posted Jul-2012
Dave Mac,
Right on !
Right on !
Daved
reply to 'Safe Skiing' posted Jul-2012
can I add my pet hate ...allowing yourself to use all 5 senses...no earphones so you can hear what is happening around you
Ian Wickham
reply to 'Safe Skiing' posted Jul-2012
daved wrote:can I add my pet hate ...allowing yourself to use all 5 senses...no earphones so you can hear what is happening around you
Hear, Hear :thumbup:
Pavelski
reply to 'Safe Skiing' posted Jul-2012
Daved,
You have brought up an issue which must be addressed by ski industry, that is the use of ear-phones.
In many countries , while driving a car, truck, etc,,,you can not use cell phone yet I still see persons "listening" to music . I assume it is music .
The term you use is correct, "all 5 senses" and so it is with skiing and skiing survival. All senses are needed and no amount of body protection is going to replace those 5 senses !
Again, ski safety begins in the head and the attitude, "I am in MY bubble and will do what I want " is not acceptable. If we accept that skiing requires spilt second adjustments, changes of direction with full attention, then yes those 5 senses are needed.
It is like having side blinders ( the horse type) while skiing. You never see the sides.
Until there will be too many accidents and deaths,,,nothing will be done. Yes I have seen some persons going down a slope and on cell phone AND video taping at same time.
I presume this is the conversation, "Frank,,,,,Frank,,,get your computer on. Go to You Tube dud,,,,I am going down this wicked beginner run, It is sick. Just hit two bodies and a third one is coming. Going WIreless to net. Instant crash moves.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,,,&****$$####!!!!))(((??&&&++++ ,,,,,,,,silence.
Enough techno while skiing.
See August Rush movie ,,,,,,, then discover and enjoy the music "all around us ".
Ian get that movie. It will make you a better parent, better person and yes a better skier since you will discover that music all around us ( that most persons do not hear ).
You have brought up an issue which must be addressed by ski industry, that is the use of ear-phones.
In many countries , while driving a car, truck, etc,,,you can not use cell phone yet I still see persons "listening" to music . I assume it is music .
The term you use is correct, "all 5 senses" and so it is with skiing and skiing survival. All senses are needed and no amount of body protection is going to replace those 5 senses !
Again, ski safety begins in the head and the attitude, "I am in MY bubble and will do what I want " is not acceptable. If we accept that skiing requires spilt second adjustments, changes of direction with full attention, then yes those 5 senses are needed.
It is like having side blinders ( the horse type) while skiing. You never see the sides.
Until there will be too many accidents and deaths,,,nothing will be done. Yes I have seen some persons going down a slope and on cell phone AND video taping at same time.
I presume this is the conversation, "Frank,,,,,Frank,,,get your computer on. Go to You Tube dud,,,,I am going down this wicked beginner run, It is sick. Just hit two bodies and a third one is coming. Going WIreless to net. Instant crash moves.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,,,&****$$####!!!!))(((??&&&++++ ,,,,,,,,silence.
Enough techno while skiing.
See August Rush movie ,,,,,,, then discover and enjoy the music "all around us ".
Ian get that movie. It will make you a better parent, better person and yes a better skier since you will discover that music all around us ( that most persons do not hear ).
Edited 1 time. Last update at 11-Jul-2012
Brooksy
reply to 'Safe Skiing' posted Jul-2012
I have Tinnitus so in effect I have to rely on 4 senses, unfortunately it not easy especially when daft boarders are tailgating you , which has happened to me on a number of occasions.
The one rule I consider to be most important for safety is for following skiers ect to pass without putting themselves & others at risk, this will not happen in my lifetime, it seems to get worse every year :evil:
Topic last updated on 17-July-2012 at 14:11